happiness and sleepingmadrass

[villkorkarma]

joy is one of the 7 enlightenmentfactors.
so how can it help more to sleep on a simple madrass then on a lyx large soft bed as S N Goenka says?

[cooran]

Hello villorkarama,

Please give a traceable link to where Goenka-ji said this. This will help us understand exactly what he said, and the context he said it in.

Not sleeping on soft and luxurious beds is part of keeping the Eight Precepts, which many of us undertake monthly and on Retreats.

8. Uccasayana-mahasayana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from lying on a high or luxurious sleeping place.
(from Anguttara Nikaya 8.41)

with metta
Chris

[villkorkarma]

I dont find It now, but there is on the coursescripts for old students sleeep on a simple madrass.goenka said, imagine a mind that doesnt want to feel good.

[villkorkarma]

excuse me joy isnt an enlightenmentfactor here is the factors:

There are seven bojjhaṅgas (factors of enlightenment) that have to be developed to reach the final goal of full liberation. They are:
1. sati (awareness);
2. dhamma-vicaya (investigation of Dhamma);
3. viriya (effort);
4. pīti (rapture);
5. passaddhi (tranquillity);
6. samādhi (concentration, absorption) and
7. upekkhā (equanimity).

[villkorkarma]

i have also read that hapiness is a factor to enlightenment, so i guess it doesnt matter really?

[Ben]

I dont find It now, but there is on the coursescripts for old students sleeep on a simple madrass.goenka said, imagine a mind that doesnt want to feel good.

This is not right.

[ignorant layman]

I believe the madrass is preffered because it keeps one from becoming attached to sensual pleasures.
Besides, its better for the back, discourages slothful lounging in the morning and requires less money time and effort to maintain.

[villkorkarma]

but how do you u find that usefull when some people talk about positivte states of mind is good and that hapiness is a factor to enlightenment?

[ignorant layman]

The madrass is useful in that it replaces a high luxorius bed ( which is an unnecessary sensual pleasure).
a more positive state of mind is achieved by the abandoning of sensual pleasures ( comfy bed ).
These sensual pleasures only lead to craving, grasping, and attachment.
The cessation of craving, grasping and attachment results in joy and enlightenment.

[villkorkarma]

So one feesl better with pain?

[PeterB]

Do you mean mattress ?

[villkorkarma]

Okey better with mattrass.. how is it with have loud and screaming neighbours around you is that better then having a quiet home? and is it better to have bitter colours on the wall or have happy colurs like yellow??

[villkorkarma]

I think I am doing great results by watching a colourfull video on repeat... im noticing new things all the time... thats good i feel better... it gives me selfconfidence

[villkorkarma]

goenka i think mean that you shouldnt be around people that u get bad vibrations from... are you agree? or is pain better?

[Strive]

Joy or rapture enlightenment factor is mental. For an experience meditator sleeping on a simple uncomfortable bed would only be bodily discomfort or pain but it would not effect his mental joy or rapture. Like if someone was to sit and make great effort and reached jhana he would feel bodily pain but joy or rapture would not be effected by that bodily pain.

[villkorkarma]

what is best for the mind? to feel coldness or just being normally warm?
on shaman in the book shaman healing says that pain like in coldness put a market negative in the chakras and chakras is just a part of the mind?
how does the other parts of the mind react to coldnessness? (the opposite to heat)

[villkorkarma]

Doesnt it create sympothatich joy to lissen at good music or watch good colours? doesnt it?