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Gender of Buddhas

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:37 am

I know this has probably been asked and answered many times, but I know that Sammasambuddha can only be a man, and an Arahant can be any gender, but can a Paccekabuddha be a woman or is it the same with a Sammasambuddha and it can only be a man?
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:58 am

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:59 am

Dear Wizard in the Forest,

just my 2 cents, the next great and needed teacher will be origin from a woman and I don't mean just from the womb. :-)
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby ground » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:03 am

Attachment to gender will be a hindrance to progress anyway as will attachment to this present life.

Buddhas are genderless.

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:06 am

As non acceptance of gender will TMingyur, as non acceptance will.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby ground » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:07 am

Hanzze wrote:As non acceptance of gender will TMingyur, as non acceptance will.


Non-acceptance is not the opposite of attachment, but non-attachment is.

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:08 am

So, no one knows? I know what a Paccekabuddha is, and it's easy to speak of non-attachment to gender when you're not a woman. I, however, was born one so I would like to know (regardless). :lol: I have accepted what I was born as in this life, but I would like to know.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby ground » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:10 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote:... it's easy to speak of non-attachment to gender when you're not a woman.


This is what I have called hindrance.

You can also phrase it "clinging to aggregates".

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:10 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote:So, no one knows?


Assuming.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:11 am

Annapurna wrote:
Wizard in the Forest wrote:So, no one knows?


Assuming.


No one has answered.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:13 am

TMingyur wrote:This is what I have called hindrance.

You can also phrase it "clinging to aggregates".

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That's funny, because I am aware such a condition does not last, but that was not what I asked about. What I asked was direct.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby ground » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:16 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote:
TMingyur wrote:This is what I have called hindrance.

You can also phrase it "clinging to aggregates".

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That's funny, because I am aware such a condition does not last, ...


That is great. Because that is what mindfulness is about, too.

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:29 am

:goodpost:

But honestly, does no one know about it? I know that Paccekabuddha were often travelling ascetics in the past, and because women couldn't become ascetics before the Buddha ordained Bhikkhunis I assumed and extrapolated that perhaps they're all men, but I don't know if that is a statement on potential as well. So I asked.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:33 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote:
Annapurna wrote:
Wizard in the Forest wrote:So, no one knows?


Assuming.


No one has answered.


Does that mean they don't know? ;)
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:35 am

Wizard in the Forest wrote::goodpost:

I know that Paccekabuddha were often travelling ascetics in the past, and because women couldn't become ascetics before the Buddha ordained Bhikkhunis I assumed and extrapolated that perhaps they're all men, but I don't know if that is a statement on potential as well. So I asked.


Why couldn't women become ascetics....? :thinking:
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby cooran » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:41 am

So, no one knows?


No. It just means this topic has been discussed previously, and people are a bit over it - 11 pages in this thread alone:

Women can’t become Buddhas?
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:43 am

TMingyur wrote:
Hanzze wrote:As non acceptance of gender will TMingyur, as non acceptance will.


Non-acceptance is not the opposite of attachment, but non-attachment is.

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:-) so what about to accept just that what is. Could that be used as neither attachment, nor non-attachment? Past karma is like it is.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:50 am

Annapurna wrote:
Wizard in the Forest wrote::goodpost:

I know that Paccekabuddha were often travelling ascetics in the past, and because women couldn't become ascetics before the Buddha ordained Bhikkhunis I assumed and extrapolated that perhaps they're all men, but I don't know if that is a statement on potential as well. So I asked.


Why couldn't women become ascetics....? :thinking:

I know one, but i guess it is really hard. I guess it is more possible in a tantric way as males needs to "fear"/respect in the "right" way.
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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby ground » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:55 am

Hanzze wrote:
TMingyur wrote:
Hanzze wrote:As non acceptance of gender will TMingyur, as non acceptance will.


Non-acceptance is not the opposite of attachment, but non-attachment is.

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:-) so what about to accept just that what is. Could that be used as neither attachment, nor non-attachment? Past karma is like it is.


I did not say anything about acceptance or non-acceptance of gender. Your insistance is based on your confusing non-attachment and non-acceptance.

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Re: Gender of Buddhas

Postby Hanzze » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:23 am

Dear TMingyur,

would it be possible that my indention is not to dissent your helpful posts? Maybe just... I don't know :tongue: :group:

Annapurna,
i just remembered Sumedha on a German forum. I did not find a english link till jet.
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