Hanzze wrote:Dear friends,
I guess it is always a question of intention. Killing out of fear, never taught or understood an other way (beware of excuses and back doors that "higher" beings like to use) ... I guess that stays neutral. It also has to do with the emotion that drives to such an act.
with loving kindness
budo wrote:So if animals are allowed to kill animals without much karmic consequence because it's merely instinct and not intent, then would it be okay to have a few cats around to protect humans from pests or dangerous critters?
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... html#prec2
A second important point to note is that killing need not occur directly through the body. The volition to take life can also express itself through the door of speech. This means that the command to take life, given to others by way of words, writing, or gesture, is also considered a case of killing. One who issues such a command becomes responsible for the action as soon as it achieves its intention of depriving a being of life.
Could, assuming there is a hell, but why would a fox go to hell when it trying to feed its young?Hanzze wrote:Dear tiltbillings,
it could happen to this fox, I carefully tried to explain it four month.
I don't think you are in place to judge another's kamma.But normally a fox would not realize the mouse as a sentiment being, so he follows mostly his fear to survive. It is all a question of judgment, which less exists in an animal. As long there is no knowledge and there is no ill-will behind it would not lead to a action that turns us a step down.
You are now just making up things.I think it is different when a fox is fighting an other fox, I guess for a fox there is enough empathy so it could be different in that issue.
Once upon a time while Brahmadatta was king of Benares, the Bodhisatta came into the world as a young Lion in the region of Himalaya. Of the same family there were some younger brothers, and one sister; and all of them lived in a Golden Cave.
Now hard by this cave was a cave of Crystal on a silver hill, where a jackal lived. By and by the Lions lost their parents by the stroke of death. Then they used to leave the Lioness, their sister, behind in the cave, while they ranged for food; which when they obtained, they would bring it back for her to eat.
Now the Jackal had caught sight of this Lioness, and fell in love with her; but while the old Lion and Lioness lived, he could win no access. Now, when the seven brothers went to seek food, out he came from his Crystal Cave, and made all haste to the golden Cave, where taking, his stand before the young Lioness, he addressed her slily with these seductive and tempting words:
"O Lioness, I am a fourfoot creature, and so are you. Therefore do you be my mate, and I will be your husband! We will live together in friendship and amity, and you shall love me always!"
Now on hearing this the Lioness thought to herself, "This Jackal here is mean amongst beasts, vile, and like a man of low caste: but I am esteemed to be one of royal issue. That he to me should so speak is unseemly and evil. How can I live after hearing such things said? I will hold my breath until I shall die." Then, bethinking her awhile, "Nay," quoth she, "to die so would not be comely. My brothers will soon be home again; I will tell them first, and then I will put an end to myself."
The Jackal, finding that no answer came, felt sure she cared nothing for him; so back he went to his Crystal Cave, and lay down in much misery.
Now one of the young Lions, having killed a buffalo, or an elephant, or what not, himself ate some of it, and brought back a share for his sister, which he gave her, inviting her to eat. "No, brother," says she, "not a bite will I eat; for I must die!" "Why must that be?" he asked. And she told him what had happened. "Where is this Jackal now?" he asked. She saw him lying in the Crystal Cave, and thinking he was up in the sky, she said, "Why, brother, cannot you see him there on Silver Mountain, lying up in the sky?" The young Lion, unaware that the Jackal lay in a Crystal Cave, and deeming that he was truly in the sky, made a spring, as lions do, to kill him, and struck against the crystal: which burst his heart asunder, and falling to the foot of the mountain, he perished straightway. Then came in another, to whom the Lioness told the same tale. This Lion did even as the first, and fell dead by the mountain foot.
When six of the brother Lions had perished in this way, last of all entered the Bodhisatta. When she had told her story, he enquired where was the Jackal now? "There he is," said she, "up in the sky, above Silver Mountain!" The Bodhisatta thought "Jackals lying in the sky? Nonsense. I know what it is: he is lying in a Crystal Cave." So he repaired to the mountain's foot, and there he saw his six brothers lying dead. "I see how it is," thought he; these were all foolish, and lacked the fullness of wisdom; not knowing that this is the Crystal Cave, they beat their hearts out against it, and were killed. This is what comes of acting in rashness without due reflection;" and he repeated the first stanza:-
"Who rashly undertakes an enterprise,
Not counting all the issue may arise,
Like one who burns his mouth in eating food
Falls victim to the plans he did devise."
After repeating these lines, the Lion continued: "My brothers wanted to kill this Jackal, but knew not how to lay their plans cleverly; So they leapt up too quickly at him, and so came by their death. This will not do; but I will make the Jackal burst his own heart as he lies there in the Crystal Cave." So he espied out the path whereby the Jackal used to go up and down, and turning that way he roared thrice the lions' roar, that earth and heaven together were all one great roaring! The Jackal lying in the Crystal Cave was frightened and astounded, so that his heart burst; and he perished on the spot incontinently.
But really has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.Hanzze wrote:..."
I suppose when those foxes look at fox porngraphy they are on their way to hell.Hanzze wrote:Could, assuming there is a hell, but why would a fox go to hell when it trying to feed its young?
Just feeding there young would not lead to hell, but thought more than feeding and survive.
Quite honestly, I have no idea of what you are talking about, and it is not just your fractured English. I don't think you understand dogs, either.Hanzze wrote:You have ideas tiltbillings... But it is really amazing if you observe the dogs on the street, believe me there are less sick movies crazy like them.
Away from this desire which is not only human, I wished I had a possibility to write some stories about dog, friendship and there life. Let see.
tiltbillings wrote:are animals that kill reborn in hell?
Monks, suppose a man were to throw into the ocean a yoke with a single hole in it. Then the east winds carry it westwards; the west winds carry it eastwards; the north winds carry it south¬wards; the south winds carry it northwards. Suppose a blind turtle were to come up from the ocean depths once in a hundred years.
What do you think, monks? Would that blind turtle put his neck through the yoke with a single hole in it?”
“Even if it could, bhante, it would only happen after a very long time.”
“Even then, monks, it is more likely that the blind turtle would put his neck through the single-holed yoke than would the fool, once fallen into a lower world, regain the human state, I say! Why is that?
Because in the lower worlds THERE IS NO DHARMA-FARING, no doing of what is wholesome, no performance of merit. There they eat each other, preying on the weak.
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