Wizard in the Forest wrote:What harm could befall telling others about taking refuge and taking up the precepts?
There are lots to learn for a Newbie. Firstly, the 4 Noble Truth, the 8 Foldpath or 6 Paramitas and other basic Teachings must sit well with his/hers understanding. Then the meaning of Refuge of Buddha, Dharma and Sangha has to be well comprehended and the responsibility and what it entails of taking the precepts.
If someone wants to fly a plane, he/she has a lot to learn before he/she even gets to sit in one. It will be unskillful to put that someone in the cockpit and say, "Fly it". He/she will crash even before the plane can take off.
If we want to join some elite club, don't we want to know more about this club before we pay the expensive fee and join?
Feeding a baby a chunk of meat instead of what babies should eat is not knowing what babies are. A Newbie is like a baby.
I think we are talking about common sense here. Good foundation is very important. With good foundation slowly built and secure, the Refuge and Precepts will not easily be shaken.
Without good foundation, it will never last.
Practicing the Dharma can be like handling a knife with two sided edge, we can easily cut ourself instead of cutting what we want to cut.
Do not underestimate or take too lightly the karmic result of breaking Precepts and forsaking the Refuge. Many think thats it a 'cool' thing to do, like joining some trendy club, the ' In' thing to do. Will not go into detail on the negative consequences of breaking precepts and forsaking the Refuge but one should know well before embarking and even then we will still break minor precepts everyday.
Wizard in the Forest wrote:There is no fee to practice Dhamma, nor is the precepts or refuge something that we bar people however new from taking. It is a shelter from a storm, what monsters would bar others from entering unless they satisfy someone else's perceptions of ones understanding of how solemnly someone takes the precepts? Buddhism isn't an elitist club, its an all encompassing fact. Such elitist conceptions are disgusting, and reflect your ego,, not Buddha's teachings. You might want to keep others from taking refuge and the precepts unless they satisfy your sense of uncertainty at how ardently they will practice, but making such arrogant assumptions are not in line with the Buddha Dhamma neither in doctrine nor discipline.
Although what I said was true, I am upset that I got mad over another person's hypocrisy. What is some advice you can give about how to handle this anger in line with the Dhamma?
andre9999 wrote:Firstly, I'd ask if what you said really is true?
Is the person a "monster"?
Are the person's assumptions arrogant?
What makes you so sure?
Why are you responding in anger?
Why not wait until you've calmed down and can respond with kindness and compassion?
Wizard in the Forest wrote:I was told by a person (who doesn't really like me) that, "In imparting the Dharma, we need to develop skill and means. The capability/aptitude of the listener/questioner should be the springboard.
When a newbie claims naive to Buddha Dharma should ask what they should do to become a Buddhist, suggesting to take Refuge and the Precepts is definitely unskillful."
Goofaholix wrote:Don't become a Buddhist, don't become anything.
I found my way without anybody telling me "to be a Buddhist you must do this or that", I think probably most of us did, it's unnecessary.
PeterB wrote:Really ?
You found your way ? I see little sign of that frankly.
I dont think many of us on this forum have done that and that we all need all the help we can get.
PeterB wrote: I think an ongoing conversion experience is of the essence, and that in terms of effort there is a clearly defined minimum which most of us are still working to achieve.
PeterB wrote:In the experience of many chanting the Precepts and Refuges are a prime way of tapping into our inner resources.
PeterB wrote:Left to our own devises none of us would discover for ourselves what the Buddha discovered .
A willingness to be told what what to do by others who have demonstrated that they know what they are doing is a sign of maturity .
Wizard in the Forest wrote:What is some advice you can give about how to handle this anger in line with the Dhamma?
Wizard in the Forest wrote:Is it really unskillful to tell the truth? What harm could befall telling others about taking refuge and taking up the precepts?
lojong1 wrote:Mahayana or not, breaking my word gets easier with practice.
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