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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Mr. G » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:11 pm

Ben wrote: And seen from afar, it would appear that two camps (Dalai Lama and supporters) and Kadampas are both calling each other 'evil' for arcane historical and political reasons


From afar, yes, it would seem that way.

As a Theravadin I'm not inclined to take any instruction from the Mahayana or Vajrayana. That is the result of the confidence I have in the tradition (and sub-tradition) in which I practice.


Well that's quite slippery of you to add that comment in Ben. ;)
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Marmalade » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:13 pm

[quote="Ben]Maybe you should familiarise with Dhamma Wheel's TOS and show me where it says discussion of the naughty ghost is forbidden.[/quote]


It doesn't, and I didn't say it was forbidden here.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:16 pm

mr. gordo wrote:
As a Theravadin I'm not inclined to take any instruction from the Mahayana or Vajrayana. That is the result of the confidence I have in the tradition (and sub-tradition) in which I practice.


Well that's quite slippery of you to add that comment in Ben. ;)

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that comment Mr Gordo. I am just giving you my honest attitude. My confidence in my own practice and the sub-tradition in which I practice means that I am not inclined in the slightest in seeking instruction elsewhere. Its as simple as that.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:16 pm

Marmalade wrote:[quote="Ben]Maybe you should familiarise with Dhamma Wheel's TOS and show me where it says discussion of the naughty ghost is forbidden.[/quote]


It doesn't, and I didn't say it was forbidden here.[/quote]

Then what is the problem?
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Mr. G » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:19 pm

Ben wrote:Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that comment Mr Gordo. I am just giving you my honest attitude. My confidence in my own practice and the sub-tradition in which I practice means that I am not inclined in the slightest in seeking instruction elsewhere. Its as simple as that.


Well, I guess I was inferring about what seemed to be a condescending attitude. Like in this post:

Ben wrote:Maybe you should familiarise with Dhamma Wheel's TOS and show me where it says discussion of the naughty ghost is forbidden.


Yes, to you it seems trivial and you can make what seem to be patronzing statements like "naughty ghost". But to Vajrayana practitioners, it's a bit more serious an issue. I don't, and never have taken pot shots at Theravadan hot topics. I didn't expect you to either.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:23 pm

Except this IS a Theravada forum.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Mr. G » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:25 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:Except this IS a Theravada forum.


What does that have to do with having a general polite demeanor with hot button issues with your Dharma brothers? Or I guess Vajrayana pracititoners aren't your Dharma brothers.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:31 pm

And who said that? The only division I can see is that which you are trying to form. Maybe I'm wrong.

My point was that I haven't seen any disrespect towards vajrayana or mahayana, but even if there had been would that permit disrespect to the Theravada as retaliation? As I said, it's expected for you to be polite about the Theravada, this IS a Theravada forum.

Try not to infer hostility in my posts. There is none.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:32 pm

mr. gordo wrote:
Ben wrote:Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that comment Mr Gordo. I am just giving you my honest attitude. My confidence in my own practice and the sub-tradition in which I practice means that I am not inclined in the slightest in seeking instruction elsewhere. Its as simple as that.


Well, I guess I was inferring about what seemed to be a condescending attitude. Like in this post:

Ben wrote:Maybe you should familiarise with Dhamma Wheel's TOS and show me where it says discussion of the naughty ghost is forbidden.


Yes, to you it seems trivial and you can make what seem to be patronzing statements like "naughty ghost". But to Vajrayana practitioners, it's a bit more serious an issue. I don't, and never have taken pot shots at Theravadan hot topics. I didn't expect you to either.


Maybe you're reading into my statements something that isn't there. Be careful of your own perceptions, Mr Gordo.
To reiterate something that Mawkish has said: this is a Theravadin board. To reiterate something I have been trying to articulate: Anything regarding the new kadampa and its political context is an irrelevancy to the vast majority of Theravadins and not just me.
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tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Marmalade » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:39 pm

Ben wrote:
Then what is the problem?


The problem (if that is what you want to call my opinion) is that discussions regarding Dorje Shugden / Dolghal have a reputation of degenerating into bitter acrimony.

As a non-Buddhist, even I am aware of this.
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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:50 pm

Marmalade wrote:
Ben wrote:
Then what is the problem?


The problem (if that is what you want to call my opinion) is that discussions regarding Dorje Shugden / Dolghal have a reputation of degenerating into bitter acrimony.
And only if it does and only until it does, members can discuss the theravadin perspective on new kadampa and shugden to their hearts content.
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sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Kadampa Tradition

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:52 pm

Greetings,

I think BJR pretty much has his/her answer by now...

NKT has nothing to do with Theravada, and neither Theravadins, nor any non-NKT Buddhists are likely to recommend it.

Since this topic isn't particularly conducive to dispassion and calming the senses 8-) I think it's best finished here.

For the record, discussion on NKT is not prohibited here at Dhamma Wheel, but it's not of relevance in the Discovering Theravada sub-forum, other than to say it's got nothing to do with Theravada.

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