clw_uk wrote:Are members of the Sangha allowed to reveal if they are arahants or not to the laity?
8. Should any bhikkhu report (his own) superior human state to an unordained person, when it is factual, it is to be confessed.
4. Should any bhikkhu, without direct knowledge, claim a superior human state, a truly noble knowledge and vision, as present in himself, saying, "Thus do I know; thus do I see," such that regardless of whether or not he is cross-examined on a later occasion, he — being remorseful and desirous of purification — might say, "Friends, not knowing, I said I know; not seeing, I said I see — vainly, falsely, idly," unless it was from over-estimation, he also is defeated and no longer in affiliation.
Retrofuturist said: I believe the reason it is an offence is because unscrupulous monks could use it as leverage to receive better requisites from the laity
First of all I agree, if possessively defending a pov implying a transcendent perspective is somehow personally important to someone it isn't transcendent, and I'm sure the pointlessness of trying to do so would be obvious except in the case of someone else who is the seeing things the same way.Chris wrote:Hello all,Retrofuturist said: I believe the reason it is an offence is because unscrupulous monks could use it as leverage to receive better requisites from the laity
Yes, I agree. It could also be because the person deludedly thinks some experience means they really are an Ariya. One person who springs to mind used to post on E-S and was very offended when his claims were met with skepticism .... an emotion which I don't think an arahant would feel.
It is always a little sad when elderly ordained people speak of conversing with devas etc. ..... you get the same thing in nursing homes with the language fitting the religion of the person convinced they have had a spiritual experience, and often it is simply confusion, or the very early signs of the onset of dementia.
And, often it isn't the person themselves, but their disciples after their death, who claim their teacher was an arahant .... then you go through the whole examining the ashes and finding relics not consumed by the fire ... this is common in Thailand when well-known monks are cremated.
clw_uk wrote:My reason for asking was because Maha Boowa seems to strongly imply that he is an arahant
I tell you quite frankly: I no longer experience past, present, or future; for I no longer have any trace of conventional reality left within my heart. I can assure you that nothing more remains. Such is the power of the Lord Buddha’s Dhamma for overcoming the kilesas. Dhamma resides in the heart. The kilesas also dwell in the heart and are its enemies. And we are the ones caught in the middle, bearing the good and bad fortune that results from this clash, for we belong to the heart, just as the heart belongs to us.
Or, as Ben said, you could actually focus on your own practice, which is what Buddhism is really all about
clw_uk wrote:i didnt know if one was allowed to even strongly suggest it
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