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Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

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Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:17 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:34 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:49 am

Thanks Cittasanto for the interesting connections between those suttas!

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:48 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:55 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:36 pm

I like the interesting sutta connections, Cittasanto, particularly what you point out about the fifth precept.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:55 pm

The fifth precept is just as important as the rest, but unfortunately it is the one where even monks would say everything in moderation, (I have seen this predominantly within the tibetan tradition) but it is just as important as the rest, as if it were the case that everything in moderation then lets murder in moderation steal in moderation rape in moderation, have illitit sex in moderation, lie only when it suits our own needs or just be moderate with the truth, it is as judge Judy says 'BALONEY.'
if you follow the Buddhas teachings it is simple follow them, not reinterpret them, war has never nor can be ever justified by the Buddhas teachings, self defence can be but anything above that is unjustifiable, it is simple.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:27 pm

13+ views and no thoughts on the texts??????

common ppl :)


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:30 pm

Hi Cittasanto,

Don't worry, a lot of people read this stuff and don't seem to comment, but do say they get a lot from seeing a variety of suttas and a variety of connections. You explained the connections between this sutta and various other suttas very well, so I don't have much to add.

Here is a previous discussion of the Maha-mangala Sutta
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3567&p=51895&hilit=mangala#p51815
and a link to the various ATI versions: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nara.html

Suttas such as this, which emphasise "mundane" development don't seem to generate as much discussion as those where minute philosophical points can be argued over, but that doesn't make them less important. The Dighajanu Sutta, the Mangala Sutta, and so on, describe key bases for spiritual development. And, as I said, I thought your observations on the importance of the fifth precept, since it's the one that specifically mentions (lack of) mindfulness was very much to the point.

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Re: Dighajanu (Vyagghapajja/Byagghapajja) Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:12 am

I havn't kept up with the Study group since its creation, but I would of hoped that more interest would of been placed on those texts which actually describe or point to the practice rather than the philosophical over-toned ones.

anyway... May everyone be well and happy


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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