SN 12.15 Kaccaayanagotto Sutta

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Re: SN 12.15 Kaccaayanagotto Sutta

Postby vinasp » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:59 pm

Hi everyone,

This is just my interpretation.

For the "worldling" self and my-world exist and are real beyond
any doubt.

For the noble disciple, on the noble eightfold path, self and
my-world are understood as having come-to-be, by being fabricated
by the mind. They are not real. He is working towards their
cessation. So because he sees how this "world" has arisen, he
does not think - "it does not exist." And because he sees how
this "world" will cease, he does not think - "It exists."

For those who are enlightened this "world" has ceased.

Regards, Vincent.
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Re: SN 12.15 Kaccaayanagotto Sutta

Postby vinasp » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:59 am

Hi everyone,

The text of SN 12.15 is repeated in SN 22.90 - Channa - where, again,
the context is about right view.

Channa complains that he does not "see the Dhamma". Ananda recites
SN 12.15 to him, and as a result Channa says " ... I have made the
breakthrough to the Dhamma."

In other words, he has become established in right view.

Channa's description of his problem does seem, to me, to show that he
has a difficulty in understanding the (apparent) present self.

One possibility is that Channa's problem results from regarding the
self as being real, with consequent anxiety about the loss of this
real self. The SN 12.15 teaching can be understood as showing that
the apparent self is mind-fabricated, and therefore, nothing real.

Regards, Vincent.
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