SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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SN 1.10 PTS: S i 4 CDB i 93 Arañña Sutta: A Face So Calm
translated from the Pali by Andrew Olendzki


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .olen.html

[Devata:]
Those who abide in the forest,
Peaceful, living the holy life;
Those who eat but a single meal;
— why is it their face is so calm?

[The Buddha:]
They do not grieve over the past,
Nor do they yearn for the future;
They live only in the present
— That is why their face is so calm.

It's from yearning for the future,
And from grieving over the past;
This is how fools become withered
— Like a fresh reed that's been hacked down.

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

Postby Samma » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:04 am

Reading more of the canon there is more support for this live in the present thing that has turned into a cliche than I first realized. At least 4 places with this theme if I recall.

Certainly related to dropping vitaka/viccara. Probably played into the major zen theme of no thinking. Thinking being the major source of conceptualizing around past or future and a basis for longing or sorrow. Yet memory is so important on the path. So its a bit more nuanced, only certain ways of thinking or of longing and sorrow that are bad.

The other thing I would point out is "faces so bright & serene". Popular understanding of dhamma tends toward all about suffering, but could just as well said to be about happiness.

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

Postby Samma » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:18 pm

Yea that seems to be the sutta with the most depth on the topic.

I'm sure you picked is in some way due to the connection to all the flood passages we have looked at:
http://www.fakebuddhaquotes.com/fake-bu ... the-day-4/

Buddharakkhita 348:
Let go of the past, let go of the future,
let go of the present, and cross over to the farther shore of existence.
With mind wholly liberated,
you shall come no more to birth and death.

Munindo 348:
Let go of the past. Let go of the future. Let go of the present. With a heart that is free cross over to that shore which is beyond suffering.

Gil Fronsdal 348:
Let go of the past, let go of the future, let go of the present. Gone beyond becoming, with a mind released in every way, you do not again undergo birth and old age.

Thanissaro 348:
Gone to the beyond of becoming,
you let go of in front,
let go of behind,
let go of between.
With a heart everywhere let-go,
you don't come again to birth
& aging.

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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

Postby PsychedelicSunSet » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:30 pm

This isn't sutta, but towards the end of Ajaan Lee's autobiography he speaks pretty lengthily of why he thinks it's a benefit to live in the forest. The section is far to long to quote, but here's a link to the autobiography in PDF form. He begins talking about it at the bottom of page 81 with "I MAKE IT A PRACTICE".

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai/lee/leeauto.pdf


This is my first time participating in this forum, and I hope I'm not breaking any rules by not referencing sutta, as I couldn't find guidelines for this forum.


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Re: SN 1.10: Arañña Sutta — The Wilderness

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:03 am

Hi PsychedelicSunSet,

To me the point of studying suttas is to relate them to practice, so I think that it is great to see how modern teachers and practitioners might relate to this sutta.

:anjali:
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