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AN 3.63 Venāga

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No, that's just an example to see the difference right at the level of immaterial attainment, let alone anything higher. Please do let me know with any new finding for I'm willing to listen..

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No worry friend. The only surefire way to tell is to attain the fruit to see for ourselves anyway... :anjali:

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the jhanas are equated to celestial beds(dibba). the brahma viharas are equated to divine beds(brahma). as far as i have read, both jhanas and the brahma viharas lead to rebirth in brahma worlds. the tika says that the jhanas lead to states of being a deva so they are equated to divine beds. this is the first time i see jhanas being equated to deva loka. are there any other suttas that say so to?

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Deva is a very broad term that involves many classifications/grades of beings in all 3 realms: kama, rupa, and arupa-dhatu..

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Postby pabhaata » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:02 am

thank you. i found the sutta quoted. it does say the word 'deva' in pali. but according to abhidhamma that plane is considered to be a brahma plane. i checked furthur and found that in many suttas, word 'deva' is used for brahma worlds too. though i've read them before, i never noticed till now. thanks again.


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