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DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

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DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

Postby plwk » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:29 am

I noticed the Arupa fellas are missing or they were not bothered? :tongue:

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:53 am

Hmm, not sure where they got to...

Exercise for the reader is to find the opening of this sutta in the Samyutta Nikaya without using Bhikkhu Bodhi's concordance. :tongue:

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:54 pm

Arupa fellas are too blissed out to notice! :tongue: ..seriously- it is NOT conducive for the practice to end up in an Arupa world. :anjali:

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

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From Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Samyutta Nikaya, SN 1.37, Concourse.

BB: This sutta reproduces the opening of the Mahasamaya Sutta (DN 20). The background story begins when the Buddha intervened to prevent a war between the Sakayans and Koliyans, his paternal and maternal kinsmen, over the waters of the river Rohini. After he meditated a peaceful resolution of their conflicts, 250 youths from each community went forth under him as monks. After a period of exertion, they all attained arahantship on the same day, the full-moon day of the month of Jetthamula (May-June). When the sutta opens, on the same night, they have all assembled in the Master's presence in order to announce his attainments. The word samaya in the title means, not "occasion," but meeting or "concourse".


Then the thought occurred to four devatas of the host from the pure abodes.

BB: The Pure Abodes (suddhavasa) are five planes in the form realm into which only nonreturners can be reborn: Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa, Sudassi, and Akanittha. Here they attain final deliverance without ever returning from that realm. All the inhabitants are thus either nonreturners or arahants.

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

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From Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Samyutta Nikaya, SN 1.37, Concourse.

"Those who have gone to the Buddha for refuge
Will not go to the plain of misery.
On discarding the human body,
They will fill the host of devas."

Spk: This verse refers to those who have gone for refuge by the definitive going for refuge (nibbematika-saranagamana). Spk-pt: By this the supramundane going for refuge is meant (i.e., by the minimal attainment of stream-entry). But those who go for refuge to the Buddha by the mundane going for refuge (i.e., without a noble attainment) will not go to the plane of misery; and if there are other suitable conditions, on leaving the human body they will fill up the hosts of devas.

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A Buddhist Silmarillion...

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:14 am

From Maurice Walshe's (MW) translation and notes.
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King Khatarattha, ruler of the East,
The gandhabbas' Lord, a mightly king,
Has come with retinue. Many sons
Are his, who all bear Indra's name,
All well endowed with mighty skills...


MW: The name is the same as that of the ironically-named King Dhrtarastra 'whose empire is firm' in the Mahabharata (a major Sanskrit Epic ).

The Dhararattha in the following is a different being.


From Habhasa, Vesali, Tacchaka
Came Nagas, Kambalas, Assatras,
Payagas with their kin. From yamuna
Dhararattha came with splendid host,
Eravana too, the mighty naga chief
To the forest meeting place has come.

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MW: Erawana is Indra's three-headed elephant. The nagas were both snakes and elephants.


And the twice-born, winged and clear of sight,
Fierce garuda birds (the nagas foes) have come.
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MW: Birds, like Brahmins, are 'twice-born' - first laid as eggs, then hatched!


Asuras too, whom Indra's hand once struck,
Ocean-dwellers now, in magic skilled, ...


MW: Indra, the champion of the gods, had defeated them.
The asuras suffered a decline in India, compared, with the Pesian ahura. They are at war with the devas and hence are sometimes termed by western scholars 'titans'.


Venhu too with his Sahalis came...

MW: This is the Pali form of Visnu, and the Sanscrit text has indeed visnu here, though that great god came into his own only after the Buddha's time.


Sakka the Vasus' lord, ancient giver...

MW: Purindada: 'the generous giver in former births' (Rhys Davids), deliberately altered froem Purandara (which the Sanskrit version has!) 'destroyer of cities'. RD thinks the change was made to distinguish Sakka from the Vedic god, but perhaps it is rather a change to make him more Buddhistically 'respectable'.


The 'Pleasure-corrupted' and 'Mind-corrupted' gods ...

MW: See DN 1.2.7 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bodh.html (BB uses the term "corrupted by play")
[Wrong view 6] 'And what is the second way? There are, monks, certain devas called Corrupted by Pleasure. They spend an excessive time addicted to merriment, ...
... Corrupted in Mind. They spend an excessive amount of time regarding each other with envy....



The Kehmiyas, the Tusitas and Yamas,
The Katthakas with train, Lambitakas,
The Lama chiefs, and the gods of flame
(The Asavas), thos who delight in shapes
They've made, and those who seize on other's work, ...


MW: The Nimmanarati and Paranimmita devas.
See levels 10 and 11 of the Thirty-one Planes:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... /loka.html

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Re: DN 20 Maha-samaya Sutta: The Great Meeting

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And when all these had come in vast array,
With Indra and the hosts of Brahma too,
Then too came Maras's hosts, and now observe
That Black One's Folly [1]. Fro he said:
'Cone on, seize and bind them all! With lust
We'll catch them all! Surround them all about,
Let none escape, whoever he may be!'
Thus the war-lord urged his murky troops.
With his palm he struck the ground, and made
A horrid din, as when a storm-cloud bursts
With thunder, lightning and with heavy rain ---
And then --- shrank back, enraged but powerless!

And He-Who-Knows-by-Insight saw all this
And grasped its meaning. To his monks he said:
'The hosts of Mara come, monks --- pay good heed!'
They heard the Buddha's words, and stayed alert.

And Mara's hosts drew back from those on whom
Neither lust nor fear could gain a hold.

'Vicorious, transcending fear, they've won:
His followers rejoice with all the world!' [2]

Notes from Marice Welsh:

[1] Kanha: 'black' but not connected with the Kanha mentioned in DN 3.1.23.
[That Kanha was a mighty sage.]

[2] Rhys Davids says: 'We have followed the traditional interpretation in ascribing these last four lines to Mara. They may quite as well, or better, be a statement by the author himself.'
I have had the courage of his convictions, and made it so.


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