Dear friends,
As an engineer, I feel better having technical procedures on my workplace rather than a shrine, so I have prepared this flowchart.
It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates
Please, correct me if there is something not correct, or if you have any suggestions.
HI Resolution Version:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... _HIRES.jpg
Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
It's been a while, so could I just check my understanding?suriyopama wrote: It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates
AND means all the inputs must be positive for a positive output? So in this case all factors of the 8-fold path need to be developed to achieve Nibbana.
OR means just one input needs to be positive for a positive output? So in this case just one type of grasping is sufficient maintain the process of becoming.
Have I got that right?
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
That’s correct.
Looking at that chart, it is scary to see how easy it is to pass through the lower gate, and not-so-easy to reach the higher gate. It is encouraging me to take the practice more seriously!
I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev2.jpg
Looking at that chart, it is scary to see how easy it is to pass through the lower gate, and not-so-easy to reach the higher gate. It is encouraging me to take the practice more seriously!
I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev2.jpg
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
I think you might find more to add!suriyopama wrote: I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev2.jpg
I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
Isn't craving a kind of grasping after? Why not use the word "desire"? Why "stress" instead of "suffering", or "frustration"? Maybe these subtleties can't be captured in a diagram, so wordy books & talks are still needed! Then again, it's a nice diagram, perhaps useful as an addition to the words.Spiny Norman wrote: I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?
Also, you could capture subtleties by rewording & sub-diagrams: "stress", "frustration" and "suffering" connected to "dukkha" by an OR gate, perhaps. This looks like a fruitful approach to me, might be a "skillful means" of getting engineers interested! Also this diagram looks very much like a "mind map", very good as a memory aid, and for sorting out key points...
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
Too much Pali, for me, and the wrong Pali! If you are aiming at the "engineer new to Buddhism", I think you need a few key terms like dukkha and nibbana, which have no easy one-to-one translation, but that's all. Don't scare them off...suriyopama wrote: I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
Just to clarify, it's not the actual words I was querying but the link of dependent origination which seems to have been used.mal4mac wrote:Isn't craving a kind of grasping after? Why not use the word "desire"? Why "stress" instead of "suffering", or "frustration"? Maybe these subtleties can't be captured in a diagram, so wordy books & talks are still needed! Then again, it's a nice diagram, perhaps useful as an addition to the words.Spiny Norman wrote: I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
Thank you very much for all the comments.
Regarding "grasping", I have just found that the word in Pali is “upadana”. Literally “fuel” and translated as "clinging", "attachment" or "grasping". I have to review the nuances of those terms in a dictionary, because English is not my first language. Thanissaro uses clinging, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up%C4%81d%C4%81na
I used the word “stress” because it sounds more technical (everything is subject to stress and entropy), although it may not capture all the nuances of the Pali term "dukkha".
I added more Pali to help myself memorize it, but it may not be a good idea in order to make it appealing to engineers, as mal4mac indicates.
New revision added,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev3.jpg
And here is the original file made with Microsoft Visio 2003, so anyone can personalize it.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev3.vsd
I have removed the word “faith” because it could be misunderstood with "religious believe" by some skeptical mind. It is not necessary to mention, since all engineers already have faith on well exposed flow charts and technical methodologies that lead to a good end
Regarding "grasping", I have just found that the word in Pali is “upadana”. Literally “fuel” and translated as "clinging", "attachment" or "grasping". I have to review the nuances of those terms in a dictionary, because English is not my first language. Thanissaro uses clinging, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up%C4%81d%C4%81na
I used the word “stress” because it sounds more technical (everything is subject to stress and entropy), although it may not capture all the nuances of the Pali term "dukkha".
I added more Pali to help myself memorize it, but it may not be a good idea in order to make it appealing to engineers, as mal4mac indicates.
New revision added,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev3.jpg
And here is the original file made with Microsoft Visio 2003, so anyone can personalize it.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... 20Rev3.vsd
I have removed the word “faith” because it could be misunderstood with "religious believe" by some skeptical mind. It is not necessary to mention, since all engineers already have faith on well exposed flow charts and technical methodologies that lead to a good end
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
สวัสดี hellosuriyopama wrote:Dear friends,
As an engineer, I feel better having technical procedures on my workplace rather than a shrine, so I have prepared this flowchart.
It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates
Please, correct me if there is something not correct, or if you have any suggestions.
HI Resolution Version:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/468 ... _HIRES.jpg
และ and
ขอขอบคุณคุณ thank you
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
The links to image files seems broken at the moment.
𝓑𝓾𝓭𝓭𝓱𝓪 𝓗𝓪𝓭 𝓤𝓷𝓮𝓺𝓾𝓲𝓿𝓸𝓬𝓪𝓵𝓵𝔂 𝓓𝓮𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽
𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
- Iᴅᴇᴀ ᴏꜰ Sᴏᴜʟ ɪs Oᴜᴛᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴏꜰ ᴀɴ Uᴛᴛᴇʀʟʏ Fᴏᴏʟɪsʜ Vɪᴇᴡ
V. Nanananda
𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
- Nᴏ sᴜᴄʜ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴀs ᴀ Sᴇʟғ, Sᴏᴜʟ, Eɢᴏ, Sᴘɪʀɪᴛ, ᴏʀ Āᴛᴍᴀɴ
V. Buddhādasa
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
I forgot about that graphic. Thank you for the reminderSabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:08 am The links to image files seems broken at the moment.
Updated links
English: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3c2n0s9uriiyr ... 3.jpg?dl=0
Spanish: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ff82r9l4bw400 ... 3.jpg?dl=0
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
A small detail: I think that the red arrow coming down from the hindrances should not go to the "intention to transcend..." line but down to "You are here" block. Having had the intention to follow the path does not assure that the intention will be maintained.
Like this:
Like this:
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
𝓑𝓾𝓭𝓭𝓱𝓪 𝓗𝓪𝓭 𝓤𝓷𝓮𝓺𝓾𝓲𝓿𝓸𝓬𝓪𝓵𝓵𝔂 𝓓𝓮𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽
𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
- Iᴅᴇᴀ ᴏꜰ Sᴏᴜʟ ɪs Oᴜᴛᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴏꜰ ᴀɴ Uᴛᴛᴇʀʟʏ Fᴏᴏʟɪsʜ Vɪᴇᴡ
V. Nanananda
𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
- Nᴏ sᴜᴄʜ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴀs ᴀ Sᴇʟғ, Sᴏᴜʟ, Eɢᴏ, Sᴘɪʀɪᴛ, ᴏʀ Āᴛᴍᴀɴ
V. Buddhādasa
Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers
I like it!