MN 135: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta - question

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MN 135: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta - question

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:17 am

Hi all,

Does anyone have access to an electronic copy of ancient or modern commentary of the Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta: The Shorter Exposition of Kamma?
I don't have access to my Vism or Bhikkhu Bodhi translation of the MN to check his notes.
Thanks

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Re: MN 135: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta - question

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:35 am

It doesn't get any more ancient than this. :stirthepot:

I do have access to Bhikkhu Bodhi's notes on the Majjhimanikāya. There are only three on this sutta.

Sutta 135
1223 See MN 99.
According to MA, his father, the brahmin Todeyya, was reborn as a dog in his own house because of his extreme stinginess. The Buddha identified him to Subha by getting the dog to dig up some hidden treasure Subha's father had buried before his death. This inspired Subha’s confidence in the Buddha and moved him to approach and inquire about the workings of kamma.

1224 If the kamrna of killing directly determines the mode of rebirth, it will produce rebirth in one of the states of deprivation. But if a wholesome kamma brings about a human rebirth — and rebirth as a human being is always the result of wholesome kamma — the kamma of killing will operate in a manner contrary to that of the rebirth-generative kamma by causing various adversities that may eventuate in a premature death. The same principle holds for the subsequent cases in which unwholesome karnrna comes to maturity in a human existence: in each case the unwholesome kamma counteracts the wholesome karnma responsible for the human rebirth by engendering a specific type of misfortune corresponding to its own distinctive quality.

1225 In this case the wholesome kamma of abstaining from killing may be directly responsible for either rebirth or the longevity in a human existence; the same principle applies in all the passages on the maturation of wholesome karnma.
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Re: MN 135: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta - question

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:42 am

Hi Ben have you tried using A2I online vism? or looking at Venerable Pasalas site for something? I searched BPS and they dont seam to have anything, however if there is something specific you would like to read from the MN notes I can look it up for you
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Re: MN 135: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta - question

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:06 am

Dear Bhante,

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It doesn't get any more ancient than this. :stirthepot:

Thank you Bhante but my knowledge of Pali is so poor that it is effectively non-existent. I would love to learn Pali one day.

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:I do have access to Bhikkhu Bodhi's notes on the Majjhimanikāya. There are only three on this sutta.

Thank you Bhante for your kind efforts transcribing Bhikkhu Bodhi's notes for me. My copy of Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the MN (as is most of my Dhamma books) is at my on-site residence which is 100km away.

Cittasanto wrote:Hi Ben have you tried using A2I online vism? or looking at Venerable Pasalas site for something? I searched BPS and they dont seam to have anything, however if there is something specific you would like to read from the MN notes I can look it up for you

i actually forgot about the A2I online Vism! That will be handy. I do have a pdf of the Vism on my work computer but I will not be returning to work until Wednesday. Thank you for your kind offer.

The reason I asked was because I am having a drawn out discussion with a local Vajrayana teacher who seems to be imputing that the Buddha's teachings of anatta negates his teachings on kamma. I referenced MN 135 and his reply made me wonder whether there was something I was missing as to the meaning of the sutta or whether my Vajra friend was reading more into the sutta than I believe is there.
Thank you for your kind offer, Cittasanto.
with metta,

Ben
Learn this from the waters:
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loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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