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Buddhism before Theravada

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.
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Richard Paul Johnson
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Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Richard Paul Johnson » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:27 pm

Hey guys,

I came accross this great series on audiodharma, just recommending it here for everyone and putting this post up as a possible discussion for everything and anything raised in the six part series. http://www.audiodharma.org/series/207/talk/2602/

Enjoy.

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

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Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:39 am

Perhaps Dr. Peacock should read Bhikkhu Bodhi's
A Look at the Kalama Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ay_09.html

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby danieLion » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:57 am

There's at least one maybe two threads about this Peacock series all ready.

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Javi » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:57 pm

Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:14 am

Hi CJ, the links are a few posts up.

:anjali:
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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Javi » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:10 pm

those are actually amazing thank you daniel :anjali:
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Sylvester » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:15 am

Thanks Mike!

BB is probably more likely to be correct in his "normalisation" conjecture, since textual loss is typically rarer and much more difficult to detect.

Still, my personal preference is to lean towards the Chinese reading. It's my "gamble" that the "voice of another" is an absolutely essential condition for Dhamma to be known.

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Re: Buddhism before Theravada

Postby Sylvester » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:43 am

Hi Dave

I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.

It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.


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