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Re: Buddhism before Theravada
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:14 pm
by danieLion
Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
Re: Buddhism before Theravada
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:07 am
by Sylvester
danieLion wrote:Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
Yes, I believe so.
Re: Buddhism before Theravada
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am
by danieLion
Sylvester wrote:danieLion wrote:Sylvester wrote:Hi Dave
I should explain my resort to AN 2.126 against a liberal reading of AN 3.65.
It would be a "gamble", if we discounted the voice of another as a necessary condition. I take the more conservative reading of the meaning of "condition" (paccaya) in AN 2.126 to mean a necessary condition, rather than a sufficient condition, for Stream Entry. As a necessary condition, the presence of the Buddha's voice is no guarantee that the auditor would make the breakthrough to the Dhamma.
The suttas qualify as a voice/voices of another/others, right?
Yes, I believe so.
Then I think we're of one accord--or close enough.
Re: Buddhism before Theravada
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:57 am
by danieLion
Re: Buddhism before Theravada
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:41 pm
by Sekha
danieLion wrote:"In early Buddhist mediation theory, faith," he says, "is not what's required to overcome doubt, but rather investigation" (41:07-41:23).
Unfortunately, even some very highly developed meditation teachers don't seem to have understood this. Fortunately, some others did.