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Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts (Sujato/Brahmali)

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.
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Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts (Sujato/Brahmali)

Postby Unrul3r » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:19 pm

Hello Dhamma Wheelers,

I found out a few minutes ago that Bhikkhu Sujato & Bhikkhu Brahmali published their most recent book, , a few days ago and so I thought I'd share this with those who didn't know and are interested in it. You can find the direct link to the book .

There is a talk on it, if you are also interested:


With metta!

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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby waterchan » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:49 pm

:clap: Thanks for this! That's another of Bhante Sujato's books that's going on my tablet.
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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby daverupa » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:26 pm

Good news!

It's been ...

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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby Jetavan » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:25 pm

So, are they authentic or not? :reading:
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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby gavesako » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:06 pm

The locus classicus for various deities and non-human beings mentioned in the earliest stata of the Suttas are the Mahasamaya Sutta and Atanatiya Sutta (DN). It was an assumption of "protestant" Buddhist scholars that all such references were later additions.
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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby Unrul3r » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:42 am

The video in the OP is a general overview. In the video below you can find a more in-depth presentation of the book:


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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby alan » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:19 pm

So often I hear the old "we can't know what the He really said" argument to justify picking and choosing according to personal preference from the various religions that trace their roots to the Buddha. This clear and well reasoned paper should lay that to rest once and for all.

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Re: Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts

Postby Freelance ExBuddhist » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:48 am

To answer the direct question ("So, are they authentic or not?") that, frankly, the video seems to dance around, but not really answer:

(1) Here's a substantive explanation in the form of a long essay (in both Chinese and English, parallel), contrasting the extant texts we've got from various traditions, and explaining that the Sutta material fom the Pali canon is, indeed, the best (extant) material we've got to work with (contrary to a lot of innuendo about Sanskrit and Chinese sources during the last hundred years, some of which seemed reasonable at an earlier stage of research, but now must be discarded).


(2) And, by contrast, here's a lightweight youtube video that only lasts a few minutes, and will answer the same question (without too much depth, and geared, partly, to as a reply the type of hostililty that Mahayanists frequently present, i.e., in refusing to accept that there is any historical validity to the Pali Canon):

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"Authenticity of the early buddhist texts" (sujato/bramali)

Postby Sokehi » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:59 pm

Get the wanting out of waiting

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