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Parinirvana

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.
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Re: Parinirvana

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby bharadwaja » Sat May 17, 2014 1:50 am

I understand. Please go ahead and modify my username. I apologise for not making myself aware of the username regulations.
Last edited by David N. Snyder on Sat May 17, 2014 2:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: username changed from arhat to bharadwaja

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby Mkoll » Sat May 17, 2014 2:05 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby bharadwaja » Sat May 17, 2014 11:49 am

Thanks David for changing my username from Arhat to Bharadwaja.

OK let's start with Māra. This is not a proper name, it is an epithet, meaning "death" (from the verbal stem "mar-" i.e. to die). Keep in mind death was not viewed as an absolute in Indian culture, it is as temporary (and fleeting) as life. Māra (as the personification of death) is called so, since he causes spiritual death, and his quest is to keep the individual mired in saṃsāra (i.e. submerged within the "stream" of the life-death-life-death... swirl), whilst the Buddha by defeating him and keeping him in check has managed to cross the "stream" and figuratively "reach the other shore" and has thus escaped the duality of becoming/birth and unbecoming/death, hence he gets the epithet tathāgata (the one thus gone forth, to the other shore). The buddha takes the help of the raft called "dhamma" (i.e. dharma, dhar = "to bear") to cross the stream of saṃsāra and to that extent the vijjā "knowledge" of dhamma is the guide (acting against the "avijjā", which nivuta "covers/envelopes" the world) that takes one from the duality of saṃsāra, to the non-duality of nibbāṇa. Taṇhā (sensual thirst or craving), Arati (disgust), and Raga (inflammation/deep-passion) are figuratively the daughters of Māra who help him, to keep the individual mired in saṃsāra and not letting him/her reach the other shore. Hence the Buddha's battle with Māra and his conquest of Māra is an important occasion for it signifies the ascent to Buddha-hood (or arahant-hood). Māra does not go away, he keeps coming back to the Buddha with his daughters to tempt the buddha back into saṃsāra, but the buddha by striving (sramaṇa "striver" = one who undertakes srama "effort") manages to always keep Māra in check, and for this feat, he is called an arahant (i.e. ari "enemy"+ hant "destroyer").

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Re: Parinirvana

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Mettāya,
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Re: Parinirvana

Postby bharadwaja » Sat May 17, 2014 1:34 pm

The verbal stem "arha-" in Vedic means "to deserve", so the term "arhat" could be translated as "one who deserves (nibbana)", and in that sense it becomes synonymous to bodhisatta ()

However we are talking of ara-hant (i.e. ari-hant) here which appears closer to the jain epithet than the vedic one. But thanks for pointing at this alternative understanding, it is valid.

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Re: Parinirvana

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby waterchan » Sat May 17, 2014 4:14 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby Mkoll » Sat May 17, 2014 4:48 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby vinasp » Sat May 17, 2014 4:53 pm

Hi everyone,

Possibly: papanca = multiplicity - prolification.

nippapanca = unity - simplicity.

Regards, Vincent.

edited: spelling.

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Re: Parinirvana

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Re: Parinirvana

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby bharadwaja » Sun May 18, 2014 7:50 am

You are now making ad-hominem remarks without addressing the content of my previous post above.

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Re: Parinirvana

Postby Mkoll » Sun May 18, 2014 4:13 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa


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