Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat
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But, if you are not ordained then how does the visa situation work? Generally the tourist visa is for a max of 90 days.
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Yes, so he'll have to leave the country and return every 90 days, which is why I suggested give it a 3 month trial then decide on the next move.Bankei wrote:But, if you are not ordained then how does the visa situation work? Generally the tourist visa is for a max of 90 days.
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“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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This may be of interest with reference to the social dynamics of WPN.
What the Buddha Never Taught by Tim Ward
What the Buddha Never Taught by Tim Ward
“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
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Worth a read as a reality check.ancientbuddhism wrote:This may be of interest with reference to the social dynamics of WPN.
What the Buddha Never Taught by Tim Ward
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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This is too uncertain ,)So I guess even my case is also uncertain, but anyway at Wat Pah Nanachat they do allow a minimum of 6 months of being an anagarika before being ordained. I guess this is good period to know if i'm up for it or not.
There is such thing as neophytism - it may last for several years. During this period you will be excited by everything (simply because this is unique and new experience) and this excitement will help you to "be a monk". When this new experience becomes ordinary and dull (and it certainly will during first years) - this energy will fade away and there appears a high probability that you will disrobe.
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You may be right, are you talking from a position of experience? It may also be delay the journey and never finish. I'm sure there are many monks who entered the monesty with no long term view and not firmly established in the practice but who are still in robes today (for better or for worse ).Zom wrote:
This is too uncertain ,)
There is such thing as neophytism - it may last for several years. During this period you will be excited by everything (simply because this is unique and new experience) and this excitement will help you to "be a monk". When this new experience becomes ordinary and dull (and it certainly will during first years) - this energy will fade away and there appears a high probability that you will disrobe.
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Personally I have no experience being in robes, but I have friends who are monks (so far). So I have some information on this account ,)You may be right, are you talking from a position of experience?
I'm not sure that "there are many" such monks ,) Perhaps this is a quite rare case.I'm sure there are many monks who entered the monesty with no long term view and not firmly established in the practice but who are still in robes today
This is a common mistake to think that once you get the robes, your defilements will fade away and progress practice will be fast, good and fruitful.
So I'm trying to point on the idea that one should be ready to be a monk before ordaining, no need to hurry.
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I think you will find it to be the case with most of the senior western monks who were under the tuterage of Ajahn Chah or who are connected with that groupingZom wrote:I'm not sure that "there are many" such monks ,) Perhaps this is a quite rare case.I'm sure there are many monks who entered the monesty with no long term view and not firmly established in the practice but who are still in robes today
I'm not sure if it is a "common mistake".This is a common mistake to think that once you get the robes, your defilements will fade away and progress practice will be fast, good and fruitful.
I don't think is really possible to be ready except in the most basic and practical sense. If you wait until you think you are ready you may be waiting an awful long time. It is also quite possible the one's idea of "being ready" is quite wide of the mark.So I'm trying to point on the idea that one should be ready to be a monk before ordaining, no need to hurry.
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Reading the monks bios in the book "Seeing the Way" it struck me how many of them stumbled into the monastic life without really planning to, met Ajahn Chah, and later decided to stick with it.Zom wrote:I'm not sure that "there are many" such monks ,) Perhaps this is a quite rare case.I'm sure there are many monks who entered the monesty with no long term view and not firmly established in the practice but who are still in robes today
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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I've no idea of relative numbers, but one of my teachers (who is now back in his homeland of Bangladesh) ordained as a samanera in his teens, planning to just do a 3 month retreat, and decided to stay on.
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I've heard Ajahn Sumedho mentioned that not many "senior monks" are still in robes. Only some are in robes. Others disrobed.I think you will find it to be the case with most of the senior western monks who were under the tuterage of Ajahn Chah or who are connected with that grouping
Though, I have no exact information on this account.
No problem with that if you still keep practising Noble Eightfold Path. Nibbana is not something you can get just because you ordain ,)I don't think is really possible to be ready except in the most basic and practical sense. If you wait until you think you are ready you may be waiting an awful long time
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If they have disrobed they are no longer senior monks.Zom wrote: I've heard Ajahn Sumedho mentioned that not many "senior monks" are still in robes. Only some are in robes. Others disrobed.
Though, I have no exact information on this account.
Of cause you can keep practicing. But I'm not personally convinced that continued practice as a layperson is necessarily going to put you in better position to live the monastic life, if that is one's aspiration.No problem with that if you still keep practising Noble Eightfold Path. Nibbana is not something you can get just because you ordain ,)
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In a proper time, possibly yes.Of cause you can keep practicing. But I'm not personally convinced that continued practice as a layperson is necessarily going to put you in better position to live the monastic life, if that is one's aspiration.
However, as suttas show, you can still keep practising at home even on anagami level.
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Yes, this is a great book and should be read by anyone contemplating going to WPNGoofaholix wrote:Worth a read as a reality check.ancientbuddhism wrote:This may be of interest with reference to the social dynamics of WPN.
What the Buddha Never Taught by Tim Ward
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