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Asking about parajika

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Asking about parajika

Postby whynotme » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:35 am

Hi,

Parajika is rules for expulsion from the Sangha. I want to ask whethere parajika forbids that person become a bhikkhu again in the future?

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:57 am

For this life, as far as I know, yes.
It would not make much sense otherwise, wouldn't it?
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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:13 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby whynotme » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:22 am

Thank you Hanzze and Cittasanto

Could you please cite some references in the vinaya?

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:33 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:41 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby whynotme » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:59 am

Thank you guys again
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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:09 am

There's an interesting question to be made in this topic: if the ofender is a samanera, and not a bhikkhu, is he also expelled for life?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:11 am

Interposed question: Are this questions here from theoretical nature, from intentions of defend/conquere or just out of interest (or to get things more understood)?
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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:29 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:05 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:59 am

What is (could be) the problem with it, but yes, always very importand?
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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:32 pm

Thanks Cittasanto. That was really clarifying. :smile:
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Asking about parajika

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:47 pm

Yes, I hear...
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:44 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:02 am

Somehow it seems that it is much more complicated to resist as a novice then as a Bhikkhu, isn't it?
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Asking about parajika

Postby theY » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:57 am

Above message maybe out of date. Latest update will be in massage's link.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
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