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Ordination in Thailand

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby Anagarika » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:50 am

Beneath the Wheel:

Wat Sri Boen Ruang is a true Wat/Temple. It has on its premises a school for novices, a radio station, and all the elements of any well establish Thai Wat. Yes, full ordination is conducted at WSBR in the normal course. One of my teachers, Ven. Phra Fred, ordained there, and of course Thai samanera go forth for full ordination there.

The advantage to WSBR, in my opinion, is the presence of a young, gifted, and dynamic Abbot who speaks English well, along with Phra Fred and Phra Greg, both native English speakers.

I may at some point ordain; go forth. I would choose to ordain only at WSBR. It is my Dhamma home, in a sense. Now, if only my Thai and Pali would progress and improve..I might stand a chance at being considered for this ordination.....

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby mr.c » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:38 pm

Hi everyone.

This thread starts with a reference to the homonymous one from E-Sangha, that isn't available anymore. I "discovered" the old thread back in 2009. I was then. and still am. interested in ordaining. I was very eager to read it but it was rather lengthy, so... I made a print out of it! Until some time ago I forgot where it was or if still existed, but some months ago I found it by chance.

It has taken me some time to transcribe it into electronic form again (a few minutes every day), but here it is once more. It covers from its first post on 6/aug/2006 until 25/jan/2009.

I hope someone still finds it useful, or has some value as a "historical" document... :)

Best wishes!
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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:24 pm

Thanks MrC!

(and welcome...)

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby Apawang » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:37 am

It looks as if there hasn't been activity on this thread for a bit, but any relevant response is appreciated!

I am 44 years old and married with young(er) children. I'm waiting for my kids to grow up and finish school. I have always intended to ordain in Thailand since visiting there and doing retreats there many years ago. I recently read on WPN website that they have a age cutoff of 50. This is very disappointing since my kids won't be finished with school before I turn 50.

I'm confused about this because I was under the impression that it was common for laypersons to ordain after their children were grown. I had heard that this is common in many countries including Thailand. I also don't understand why the Sangha would turn their back on older people who want to ordain. This doesn't seem to be in keeping with stories I had read about the Buddha and his disciples.

At any rate, if I'm not able to ordain in one of the English-speaking Wats in Thailand, are there other good suggestions? I am trying to teach myself Thai at the moment but I'm not sure how that will progress without living in Thailand.

Thanks for your kind responses!

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby Apawang » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:05 pm

Thanks so much for the replies. This really makes me feel much better! I found the age restriction strange so it's good to hear it's limited to WPN. I'll keep practicing and am hoping to visit Thailand this year or next for a retreat and a chance to visit some of the different Wats.

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby gavesako » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:19 pm

Westerners choose a monk's life in Thailand


SCRIPT: Thailand might be better known in the west for its beaches but some visitors come here with other plans. Several hundred have left behind Europe, the US or Australia to be ordained as Thai Buddhist monks. SOUNDBITE 1 Phra Asoko (man), Swiss Buddhist monk (French, 12 sec): "You free yourself from a whole pile of difficulties and suffering which are an integral part of a non-religious life. There are difficulties, there are sacrifices to make. But these are things which are a part of the decision." [French: "On se libère d'un tas de difficultés et de souffrances qui font partie intégrante de la vie d'un laïque. Il y a des difficultés, il y a des sacrifices à faire, mais ce sont des choses qui font partie du choix."] One of Phra Asoko’s mentors is the American monk Luang Poh Sumedho. He donned his saffron robe 46 years ago and is one of the most respected foreign monks in Thailand. Buddhism appeals to him for its pragmatism - and the fact it's not focused on a god. SOUNDBITE 2 Luong Por Sumedho (man), American Buddhist monk (English, 12 sec): "There is something very appealing to Western mind about Buddhism, because it isn't, it doesn't demand that you believe in things, it is not a theistic approach." But making the leap to a disciplined monastic life isn't easy. There are many rules to follow including sexual abstinence and isolation from the wider world Phra Ashal, an Australian who entered monkhood 35 years ago, says around half of the foreign monks he's known have given up. SOUNDBITE 3 Phra Achalo (man), Australian Buddhist monk (English, 21 sec): "I have never met one who regretted trying. And every single one of them has left with confidence in the Buddhist training and gratitude for the community and feeling happy that they tried and usually they leave because they think like, it's too hard for them." While most western visitors to Thailand may return home feeling they’ve experienced a slice of paradise, these foreign monks, who’ve stayed the course, hope to experience a whole new level of enlightenment. SHOTLIST: UBON RATCHATHANI, NORTH-EAST, THAILAND, JUNE 2012, SOURCE: AFPTV -Wide of temple -Various of Phra Asoko and fellow monks collecting alms -SOUNDBITE 1 -Various of Phra Asoko walking with Luong Por Sumedho -SOUNDBITE 2 -Various of interior of temple Wat Pah Nanachat -Various of mountain views of Khao Kor -CU of Buddhist statue -Set up of Phra Achalo -SOUNDBITE 3 -Monks collecting alms -Monks chanting -Monk walking on hillside END

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby AllenCN » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:30 pm

Venerables, fellow candidate-venerables, and lay-friends,

Ajahn Dhammanando mentioned earlier in this thread what he coined a "monk-to-be visa." I know myself that such a thing exists... as a layman at WPN, I accompanied anagarikas on their final visa run before ordination (I myself was one, on just another TR visa run), but unfortunately I was not paying enough attention. Would anyone happen to know the technical, legal terminology for this visa, or have a citation for the Thai regulation? Is the regulation cited here? http://www.onab.go.th/index.php?option= ... Itemid=188

I'm soon to be going through the process of ordaining at a small forest temple that has very limited experience with foreigners... Unfortunately, that was prior to the regulations cited in Dhammanando's 2010 post. Would anyone happen to have specific information about what is required? I realize that details are far too much to ask for in Thailand, but am grateful for even hints and innuendos. Many thanks.

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby appicchato » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:31 pm

Basically any type of 'non-immigrant' visa will suffice...once ordained you will get a 'bisuti', and with that you can get the paperwork to obtain the one year extensions to that visa...there is no 'monk visa'...

All the best...

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby appicchato » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:03 am

Venerable,

I don't really keep close tabs on the regs although I've been getting year long extensions since '06 (7?), and that was with a single entry non-immigrant ('O') visa...a Caucasian ordained where I reside (Wat Thewasangkharam, Muang Kanchanaburi) last year with nought but the same...I've been getting uninterrupted Thai visas since the seventies (whew)...I don't think he will have a (major) problem with just a non-immigrant visa...but, as this is Thailand, that thought is not chiseled in stone...

Be well...

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby AllenCN » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:15 am

Vens. Appicchato and Dhammanando -- many thanks for your replies, as well as for the wealth of information you've posted previously to this forum.

I think there is some truth to this; the group of 3 anagarikas I traveled with were from mixed nationalities, and for whatever reason one of them came back with a non-imm "R" visa and two came back with "ED" visas... they were told not to worry, as it didn't matter anyway -- all would be converted to basically the same one-year visa later. (Still not sure why... different nationalities get different non-imm visas more easily? Timing of required paperwork/letters from ONAB? Mere convenience on the part of the Thai application preparer?) Regardless, it seemed that a non-immigrant visa of some kind was good for 90 days, and the rest could be handled by ONAB + immigration without leaving the country again.

Many thanks again for your ongoing help and support of those pursuing ordination.

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

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Re: Ordination in Thailand

Postby konchokzopa » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:14 pm

hi, I am writing here since i just applied to Myanmar to Pa Auk Monastery but in the case they dont have space or do not accept me i will travel to Thailand in look for full ordination.

Can you give me an advice. i read in a thread that you need to be able to speak pali for ordination to be possible? can you tell me a bit more about this and fill me in with the necessary info.

Can you recommend me a Wat where a westerner has a chance to commit to a full ordination. wat pat nanachat is not in my interest's. from the website it just doesnt seem the right place for me.

i have been practicing two years tibetan buddhism and i dont seem to make progress and i feel that to make real progress a 3 year retreat is necessary and i dont have the money for that and im interested in theravada very much and the monks life appeals to me deeply.

I hope that the Pa Auk Monastery will accept me but in the case it doesn't i request your help. if the monastery does not accept me as a monk i would be travelling to Thailand just before next summer to look for a place to commit to full ordination.

can someone fill me in with the pali requirements for ordination to be possible? some good wat where you get proper meditation instructions and vinaya and english speaking teacher who accepts 21 year old european male's who have not been the most virtuous persons in life so far, except trying very hard for the past 2-3 years.

also how much money should one have if one is hoping to be in Thailand for 5-10 approx. as a wanderer monk maybe at some point how much money in euros or usd is one year visa and how much should one prepare money to go out of country to go back in because of visa issues.

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