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Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand... - Dhamma Wheel

Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Ben » Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:37 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby appicchato » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:15 am

Hi Ben...but it came up for me in this version...give it a go...

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Guy » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:23 am

Thanks Venerable! :bow: :bow: :bow:
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:36 am

The comments by Ven Sumedho are quite interesting and can be applied to more than just those who ordain.

Thanks for posting this.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:27 am

Thank-you Bhante!

tilt - Sumedho emphasises the samana (renunciate) life, not so much the life of a 'monastic' (fully ordained,) there was a quote regarding the Bhikkhunis (cant remember if it was him or the general WPP sangha) where Ajahn Chah taught in the style of 'good enough' i.e., is this good enough to reach enlightenment . . . and I think that will be what is being emphasised by him there.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Ben » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:52 am

Thank you Bhante!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:34 am

Quick question,
I have asked this before a while ago but can't remember the responce or the thread it was with to look it up!

footnote 5, as one of many instances says ibid., p... what is ibid??


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby appicchato » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:59 am

ibid...short for ibidem (Latin)...'in the same place'...

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:02 pm

Ah right so all the ibid refferences are to the book, essay etc last mentioned?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby kayy » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:24 pm

Yep, that's right Manapa.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:00 am

Greetings bhante,

Thank you for posting this - very interesting and very useful.

Actually, bhante, if you don't mind me asking and only if you feel comfortable speaking on the subject...

As someone who has indeed moved from the U.S. to Thailand to become a bhikkhu, what do you think of the article? Do your experiences in any way relate to those of the others mentioned? Unlike the others, you're still in Thailand... so seemingly your perspective is a bit different.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

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Re: Food for thought: the Occidental monk in Thailand...

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:27 am

Thanks bhante.

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Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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