Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

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Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goedert » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:43 am

I'm trying to search a suitable place to ordain and live as a monk.

The type of meditation teaching I'm seeking is samatha-vipassana, in a way that they cannot be separated.

Any one know a place, excluding Wat Pah Nanachat, that is a Forest Monastery and hold this type of meditation instruction?

Would like to see adress to send a letter or telephone. Thanks for every one who give your time to answer.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby appicchato » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:00 am

This monk's view, while not shared by all, if any, is that you're more apt to get more 'instruction' reading, and putting to practice, the wealth of information available on the internet than in any temple in either Thailand, or Sri Lanka…wishing you well...
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:34 am

appicchato wrote:This monk's view, while not shared by all, if any, is that you're more apt to get more 'instruction' reading, and putting to practice, the wealth of information available on the internet than in any temple in either Thailand, or Sri Lanka…wishing you well...

I'd have to agree, there is a weird idea that monasteries are some sort of monk college. which i guess would be nice, maybe for some, but in reality this isn't the case at all.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:41 am

appicchato wrote:This monk's view, while not shared by all, if any, is that you're more apt to get more 'instruction' reading, and putting to practice, the wealth of information available on the internet than in any temple in either Thailand.


I'd have to agree. You get plenty of instruction in Burma though, but not always in a way that understands how westerners think.

Having said that instruction isn't so much what it's all about, you need it to get started but then I think it's living in a supportive environment and living a supportive lifestyle that's important.

If it's instruction you want and the ability to talk through issues with a teacher, doing retreats in the west, probably with lay teachers, is the way to go.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby pilgrim » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:03 am

The OP wishes to ordain . You can't do that thru the Net.

You can try Pa auk monastery in Myanmar
http://www.paauk.org/
or Na-Uyana in Sri Lanka
Na-Uyana Aranya, Pansiyagama 60554, Sri Lanka

Actually, I'm quite surprised that anyone here would discourage one from ordaining. Isn't that akusala?
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby BlackBird » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:19 am

Personally would recommend Na Uyana in Sri Lanka over Pa Auk FM in Burma.

Na Uyana has excellent support, they take care of all foreign monks' passports, foods good, great solitude, and you have freedom to practice your own method of meditation IF you want. There's a good number of western monks there and they have a good library. The medical & dental support is a world above what you'll get in Burma, and for monks it is free.

Not trying to put you off Pa Auk in Burma, but it does have a reputation for malaria and the medical care you will get in Burma is not great, even by Asian standards.

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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby appicchato » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:22 am

pilgrim wrote:The OP wishes to ordain . You can't do that thru the Net.
Actually, I'm quite surprised that anyone here would discourage one from ordaining. Isn't that akusala?

Didn't see that myself…basically, wanting to ordain and live as a monk, and 'seeking samatha-vipassana, in a way that they cannot be separated' are two different endeavors…there being tens of thousands of temples in the countries mentioned, ordaining is not a problem…finding the specific instruction he's looking for is another matter...
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby shjohnk » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:58 pm

Can foreigners still stay gain visas to stay long-term in Myanmar? If so, I like the look of Pa Auk - Just the first instruction for meditators warms my heart: Respect everyone. :anjali:
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:46 pm

shjohnk wrote:Can foreigners still stay gain visas to stay long-term in Myanmar? If so, I like the look of Pa Auk - Just the first instruction for meditators warms my heart: Respect everyone. :anjali:


Yes. Right now you might have difficulty staying in a centre on a tourist visa so definately get a meditation visa.
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"Remember you dont meditate to get anything, but to get rid of things. We do it, not with desire, but with letting go. If you want anything, you wont find it." - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goedert » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:42 pm

appicchato wrote:This monk's view, while not shared by all, if any, is that you're more apt to get more 'instruction' reading, and putting to practice, the wealth of information available on the internet than in any temple in either Thailand, or Sri Lanka…wishing you well...


:anjali:

Venerable appicchato, I know that is not shared by all. "is that you're more apt to get more 'instruction' reading, and putting to practice, the wealth of information available on the internet than in any temple in either Thailand, or Sri Lanka…wishing you well..." think you are right on that, but living as monk and having a computer or computer access, is something that I don't know if will be accessible, depending where I ordain.

The kind of teaching I'm saying is: 1st jhana then vipassana on it; 2nd jhana then vipassana on it... and so on...

Thank you for your clarification Bhante.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goedert » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:47 pm

pilgrim wrote:The OP wishes to ordain . You can't do that thru the Net.

You can try Pa auk monastery in Myanmar
http://www.paauk.org/
or Na-Uyana in Sri Lanka
Na-Uyana Aranya, Pansiyagama 60554, Sri Lanka

Actually, I'm quite surprised that anyone here would discourage one from ordaining. Isn't that akusala?


Thank for this friend.

BlackBird wrote:Personally would recommend Na Uyana in Sri Lanka over Pa Auk FM in Burma.

Na Uyana has excellent support, they take care of all foreign monks' passports, foods good, great solitude, and you have freedom to practice your own method of meditation IF you want. There's a good number of western monks there and they have a good library. The medical & dental support is a world above what you'll get in Burma, and for monks it is free.

Not trying to put you off Pa Auk in Burma, but it does have a reputation for malaria and the medical care you will get in Burma is not great, even by Asian standards.


I will analyse that too. Thank you friend, any other advice will be precious.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby bazzaman » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:40 am

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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby Goedert » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:52 am

This is the teaching instruction that I'm searching.

Anupadadhammavipassana

"Anupada Sutta: One After Another" (MN 111), translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, June 14, 2010, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html.

Actually that translation of Bhante Thanissaro is ok.
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby pilgrim » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:05 am

Other possibilities in the west are Ajahn Brahm at Bodhinyana in Perth, Australia or Bhante Gunaratana in Bhavana Society, USA
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby louhi » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:58 pm

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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby yuttadhammo » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:32 pm

Goedert wrote:This is the teaching instruction that I'm searching.

Anupadadhammavipassana

"Anupada Sutta: One After Another" (MN 111), translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, June 14, 2010, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html.

Actually that translation of Bhante Thanissaro is ok.

To be quite honest, I don't think any Buddhist teacher of any worth teaches samatha without vipassana or vipassana without samatha. Samatha just means tranquility and refers to the concentration part of the path. Vipassana means insight and refers to the wisdom part of the path. There is no wisdom without concentration, and concentration that doesn't lead to wisdom is pretty useless.
4. "It may be, Cunda, that some monk, detached from sense-objects, detached from unsalutary ideas, enters into the first absorption that is born of detachment, accompanied by thought-conception and discursive thinking, and filled with rapture and joy, and he then might think: 'I am abiding in effacement.' But in the Noble One's discipline it is not these [attainments] that are called 'effacement'; in the Noble One's discipline they are called 'abidings in ease here and now.'

-- Sallekha Sutta (M 8)

Another note: the Anupada Sutta refers to Sariputta Thera's attainment of enlightenment... I wonder whether it is a bit ambitious to try to repeat the attainment of the compiler of the abhidhamma pitaka? On the other hand, it's nice to see such determination :)
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby pilgrim » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:24 pm

Can't understand the sutta you quoted as there is no relevant meaning for the word "effacement". Why do they use such words in the english translations? :cry:
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Re: Ordination - Thailand or Sri Lanka

Postby yuttadhammo » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:35 pm

pilgrim wrote:Can't understand the sutta you quoted as there is no relevant meaning for the word "effacement". Why do they use such words in the english translations? :cry:
Don't cry :) it means the lowering of one's ego, becoming more humble and inconspicuous.
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