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Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

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Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:12 am

Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

I just surprise to learn that Ajhan Sumedho has used tinnitus (ringing noise in the year) as a meditation object.
I had tinnitus for many years. I never took that as a nuisance. I used it as my meditation object for many years.
This could be a good news for any tinnitus sufferers!
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The first of these, “the sound of silence,” is described
in the opening Dhamma talk of the same name in quite
some detail. However, as it is not a meditation method
found in classical Theravàda handbooks, it might be
helpful to provide a little background to the way in
which Ajahn Sumedho came to develop it, and to refer
to some of the other spiritual traditions that use it as
part of a meditation practice.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:09 am

I have it but I don't use it as an object for meditation.
kind regards,

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Mr Man » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:34 am

I'm not sure if tinnitus is the same as the sound of silence.

Here is something from Ajahn Amaro

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:32 am

I had a reaction to a ( life saving ) antibiotic which left me with tinnitus in one ear.
Its like a high pitched whistle. Most of the time now I am unaware of it..but sometimes in meditation it becomes intrusive. At that point I shift my attention , lightly, to the sound. Neither wanting to remove it nor prolong it.
I just rest my attention there.
After a while the mind is satisfied and shifts back to the subject...in my case a mantram-like phrase.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:01 am

Hi Peter
I think you explained it better than me. Thanks.
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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:43 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby pegembara » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:13 am

This "cosmic" sound or whatever you call it can be used as a meditation object provided one doesn't become averse to it. Just like using the breath or body sensations, the idea being to anchor the mind to the present moment.

Tinnitus is a ear condition that can be really annoying. It is louder and often intrudes on your daily activities even without your conscious attention unlike this "sound of silence".
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:43 pm

Surely everyone has heard The Sound Of Silence ?
It goes..' Hello darkness my old friend '........
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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:28 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Digity » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:52 pm

I have tinnitus...got it after a botched ear surgery. I don't use it as an object of meditation. I use to think I'd never be able to meditate because of my tinnitus...now I just don't pay attention to it and try and focus on my breathing. I guess you can pick anything as your object of meditation. It's just that the breath seems to work so well and when it's calm so is your body.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby reflection » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:01 pm

I don't think tinnitus and the sound of silence have to be the same, although you could both use them as a meditation object. I think everybody has a slight beep in their ear when they look for it. I never noticed it before I tried the meditation on it, but then I found it. Ajahn Munindo also uses it a lot if I recall correctly. I've tried it a couple of times and it works ok, not much different to the breath. But the problem I had is, because you stay focussed on sound you will hear all other sounds too and those can be distracting. I live in a city so there are many sounds. When focusing on the breath the entire sound consciousness often disappears and there are no such distractions.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby pegembara » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:25 am

@ reflection

Wouldn't it be better to include all sounds in the meditation without getting distracted?
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby lostitude » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:31 pm

Hello,

I was about to post about how to deal with tinnitus in meditation but I found this thread before :)
I just wanted to add that according to my doctor, tinnitus may worsen if I pay too much attention to it, as focusing too often on it may reinforce it since it is a purely 'neuronal' phenomenon...

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Twilight » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:55 am

No, do not use it as a meditation object or it will increase. Do not focus on it. This is medical advice I am giving not meditation advice. This is what medics say and it is normal to be so.
You'll have a better chance finding a moderate rebel in Ildib than finding a buddhist who ever changed his views. Views are there to be clung to. They are there to be defended with all one's might. Whatever clinging one will removed in regards to sense pleasures by practicing the path - that should be compensated with increased clinging to views. This is the fundamental balance of the noble 8thfold path. The yin and yang.
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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Digity » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:49 am

Yeah, I agree. Best to practice ignoring it, blocking it out. That's why I run the fan when I sleep to create white noise so I don't notice it. If I laid in bed focusing on it that'd be a bad idea.

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby SarathW » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:53 am

My tinnitus has not improved at all.
Even when I write this I can hear it very loud and clear but it does not bother me at all.
It is just another noise for me.
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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

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Re: Can tinnitus be used as a meditation object?

Postby Twilight » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:19 am

If one constantly pays attention to it or worse, intentionally focus on it for long period of time, then one will become more sensitive to it and notice it better. This is why it is not recommended to pay attention to pain for example, and same is with tinitus. By the way, I have it too. It's pretty common.
You'll have a better chance finding a moderate rebel in Ildib than finding a buddhist who ever changed his views. Views are there to be clung to. They are there to be defended with all one's might. Whatever clinging one will removed in regards to sense pleasures by practicing the path - that should be compensated with increased clinging to views. This is the fundamental balance of the noble 8thfold path. The yin and yang.
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How stream entry is achieved. Mahasi / Zen understanding vs Sutta understanding:


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