purple planet wrote: - i know there are monks who never sleep
when you meditate a lot you dont feel sleepiy at all
do you know this for a fact?
by never sleep i assume you mean for a period of years.....
i think you'll find if you meditate for many hours of the day though you may not sleep at night, you will certainly begin to feel sleepy at times during meditation
purple planet wrote:
I think its possible the question is - is it healthy ?
Probably not. But why make the attempt in the first place? What is the benefit that you anticipate?
thought of this - but if its so easy for me (and im sure others cause im a sleepy kind of person and also unlike it might seem from this thread a beginner ) than it might be a too loose vina stringIt seems like an overly-taut vina string.
purple planet wrote:my question is : "is it healthy not to sleep and just meditate ? "
Jack Kornfield wrote:
A student who sat a three-month retreat that I taught was an over-zealous young karate student seeking the extremes of spiritual intensity. Rather than follow the instructions, he decided to get enlightened as quickly as possible in his own way. In the middle of the retreat he sat down and vowed to himself not to move for an entire day and night. After the first few hours he began to sit through sensations of fire and intense pain. He sat all afternoon, all night, and all the next morning. If one does this long enough, the pain and fire become so powerful that consciousness becomes disassociated and catapulted out of the body. There are many more gentle ways to have out-of-the-body experiences, but this happened to him very abruptly. As he continued to sit he began to experience all sorts of altered states. When he got up after twenty-four hours, he was filled with explosive energy. He strode into the middle of the dining hall filled with one hundred silent retreatants and began to yell and practice his karate manoeuvres at triple speed. The whole room was bursting with his energy, and in the silence he could feel the fear that arose in many people around him, who were very sensitive after two months of silence. He made sounds with the movement, and his energy appeared to have flooded his third and sixth chakras. Then he said, "When I look at each of you, I see behind you a whole trail of bodies showing your past lives." He was living in a very different state of consciousness, which he had attained through pushing his body to such a limit. But he could not sit still or focus for a moment. Instead, he was very fearful and agitated, moving in a wild and manic state, as if he had temporarily gone crazy.
What did we do with him? Since he was an athlete, we started him jogging. We got him to run ten miles in the morning and afternoon. We changed his diet. While everyone else was eating vegetarian food, we put him on meat loaf and hamburgers. We made him take frequent hot baths and showers. We had him work and dig up a good part of the garden. And we kept at least one person with him all the time. After about three days he was able to sleep again. Then we started him off meditating slowly and carefully again. While his experiences may have been valid spiritual and psychic openings, they were not brought about in a natural or balanced way, and there was no way he could integrate them.
A Path with Heart: A Guide Through the Perils and Promises of Spiritual Life (p. 131)
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