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Are you S.A.D.?

Postby alan » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:54 pm

There are some who can live without light; I'm not one of them. I suffer when the nights come early and the days grow short.
One way of dealing with this is to go live in the tropics, but if you can't, the next best thing is to buy a lamp which replicates the sun. Fullspectrumsolutions.com has some products which will help.

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Postby Annapurna » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:40 pm

Yes, buying a "daylight" lamp is a good idea.

I'm not suffering from SAD, but I too like summer better, mostly because of the energy costs winter brings in a land where you are mostly confined to the house, unless you enjoy freezing.

Did you know that you can also affect this affective disorder with food, colors and ethereal oils?

Sunlight increases the Serotonine level in the body. (Happiness hormone)

Sunlight and some food helps to increase the Serotonine production when it goes down in winter.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_foods_ra ... evelsheric


Colors: Orange and yellow cheer up.

Eating oranges and enjoying their "perfume" in an aroma lamp are a traditional remedy.

I crave oranges and chocolate in winter, :embarassed: so perhaps I am a little affected too.

Oh, and physical activity helps as well.
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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby catmoon » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:34 pm

I've always had this trouble. I bought a large 4 tube DC fixture, but it didn't have any effect.

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:42 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby alan » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:53 pm

Hi Retro.
Yes. I bought a Bluemax table lamp, not cheap at US$150, but the effect on my living space was so great I went and purchased another a few days later.
The best way for me to tell you how much I love these lamps would be to come to your home and do jumping jacks while singing their praises. But since I can't do that I will just say they are the best "home additions" anyone can possibly make.
For your workspace, I would say they are essential. When I'm in the States I have to look at negatives and prints and make judgements on their quality. It can be exacting work and these lights make it a breeze.

*You need 10,000 "Lumins" to get the positive effects of light therapy. Without it, no amount of essential oils will help.
*Take Vitamin D3.

Cheers,
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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby meindzai » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:46 pm

I'm the opposite for some reason. I like dark days, rainy weather, etc. I find bright sunny days annoying, like somebody jumping in my bed and telling me I'm supposed to *do* something. lol Methinks I am a strange bird sometimes...

-M

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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:29 pm

I'm sad that so many people look outside of the Buddha's teaching for the cause of suffering. Whether too much sunshine makes you sad, or not enough, sorrow arises dependent on craving and ignorance.

Its OK to be sad sometimes — its part of the human condition — but focus your efforts in the right way to remove the root causes.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:59 pm

Greetings bhante,

Even just keeping within the context of the Dhamma-Vinaya, the following sutta indicates that physiology cannot always be subdued or made an irrelevant concern through the removal of craving.

MN 144: Channovada Sutta (Advice to Venerable Channa.)
http://www.dhammaweb.net/Tipitaka/read.php?id=178

"Wasn’t the faultlessness of the bhikkhu Channa declared in your presence?" Yet, he used the knife.

Mental ailments may be subdued through the Dhamma, and even potentially some physiological things too, but it's a case of matching the right cure with the right disease.

No matter how established in the Dhamma a bhikkhu is, without the four requisites he will die. One of these requisites is medicines. For one's health, it's impossible to rely on the truth of the Dhamma alone and I think suggesting otherwise is potentially dangerous, lest anyone forego the necessary medical treatment out of faith in the Buddha.

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Retro. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:59 pm

Suitability of a dwelling place, food, clothing, and medicine are factors for succesful practice, but where does craving end if we keep projecting the causes of suffering onto external causes? If we live in high lattitudes, the winter nights are long. When things cannot be changed, look at your mood swings, and free yourself from dependency on external conditions. If you can only practise when conditions are ideal, you will do very little practice at all.

As a bhikkhu, sometimes one gets suitable requisites, and sometimes one does not. Sometimes one gets none at all. As a lay person, if you have enough money you can pick and choose, but if that just makes you more picky and choosy, how will suffering ever come to an end? If you don't have enough money — as is usually the case — then you're forever concerned about getting more money to satisfy all your wants (not just your needs). That is one way to go, but learning to be content with whatever you have is another route to consider. Which of those two paths is more likely to lead to the cessation of craving?
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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:21 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby meindzai » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:24 am

Venerable, I absolutely see where you are coming from. I believe that one of the difficulties is that householders have a lot of decisions to make, whereas for the ordained many of the decision are made on account of conditions or the vinaya. When I go to a monastery I accept the conditions that are present and try to work within those conditions, which is where I see the truly liberating aspect of that kind of practice.

When I'm at home it's a matter of deciding what's important enough to change vs. which stuff I just have to deal with. Do I spend money eating healthy food so that I'll have more energy and be in a good mood? Or should I just eat the cheapest food I can find and do the "inner work" of dealing with my energy and moods as they come. Should I sleep 8 hours a night or should I sleep for 5 and meditate for 3? Should I stop taking my medication for my Acid Reflux or should I just deal with burning pain in my esophogus? (I might not have a job soon, so some of these decisions will be made for me).

I know Retro has said that he's been diagnosed as having Seasonal Affective Disorder, so he has to decide whether to ignore this and try to simply do inner work or whether he should perhaps try to effect his outside environment in a way that helps. I think it's worth at least thinking about - whether that would qualify as a medical requisite for somebody with S.A.D. is perhaps a matter of controversy.

-M

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:12 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:37 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:18 am

Do it this way Retro, and they really will think you're enlightened!
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:50 am

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby PeterB » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:03 am

I think we cant generalise about allopathic medicine Anna.
Some is very specific with few side effects for many subjects.
I would agree that some conditions like hyperacidity do not need allopathic medicine unless they are chronic and very painful with possible ulceration, in which case they will certainly need powerful antacids.
Conditions like Hiatus Hernia should also be investigated.
For generations it was assumed that all ulceration of the digestive tract was a result of stress. It has now been conclusively shown that it is bacterial in origin, and can be cured without surgery by a course of antibiotics administered together with acid blockers. The result is a complete cure. People are being cured of ulcers of many years standing.
When this was first announced in medical journals it was greeted with scepticism. The fact that ulcers are caused by bacteria is now universally accepted.
Allopathic medicine has its place.
Another natural remedy that can be effective for mild cases of hperacidity due to diet inbalance is Umeboshi Plum. They are Japanese pickled plums, and for many people a pinch of Umeboshi can relieve acidity by restoring the balance of the digestive tract.
But I digress.

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Re: Are you S.A.D.?

Postby meindzai » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:16 pm

Don't get me started Anna. Spent years with these types of "cures" including the ones you mentioned before I would even step into a doctor's office. Funny thing about them is that they don't always work.

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:51 pm

Dear Meindzei, you sound a little bit angry, but I'm sure you are not, or are you?

I understand your frustration.

You say nothing worked out. It's true, sometimes things don't work. Health can be a very complex thing...

May I ask if you tried curing yourself with those methods?

Or did you consult somebody with a proper education in alternative or traditonal healing arts?

Hope I am not too curious...


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In my land, people would try the doctor first, btw. Only those who don't find help there, move on to people like me.

We get the hardest cases. The ones doctors give up...it's true...
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