Swineflu reloaded

[Annapurna]

Dear all,

we had a swine flu thread here before, but I can't find it. It was about the pros and cons of the vaccination.

Perhaps move it to here, Mods?

Anyhow,....as you perhaps remember you got a different vaccine in the USA and probably AUS and UK too.

We here had Squalen in it and and a little touch of mercury and so forth.

Squalen might cause the socalled Golfwar syndrome with:

Arthritis, skin rash, chronic fatigue, headaches, fibromyalgia, autoimmune diseases as MS and ALS...

Anyhow, I can give you some feedback now....

I am at present treating a person who is ill since she got the jab, she is on 2 crutches, and has arthritis, neckaches, headaches, insomnia, depression...

The doctors can't find anything wrong with her....and have no explanation for her swollen ancle.

Please wish me luck.

This is a great challenge. Swineflu is new to me too, and I can't fall back on one of the remedies I usually use. It's simply not on the market.

Thought I share...it moves me, somehow.

This woman regrets having gotten the shot so much.

A friend of mine too, was feeling bad for weeks.

[PeterB]

Some facts from the UK.
More than ten million people were vaccinated, significant reactions were noted in seven cases.
More than 300 people died from Swine Flu, A disproportionate number of the deaths were among children and pregnant women.
The reasons for a more serious illness among pregant women have not yet been established.
Almost 100% of fatalities were among those not vaccinated.
In addition to the 300 plus deaths 700 people had prolonged hospital stays due to complications such as pnuemonia.
At one time during late November 2009, 80% of Intensive Care beds in the UK were occupied by sufferers from Swine Flu.

[Annapurna]

Did you guys have the 'clean' vaccine in UK? Because we didn't.

Ours had Squalene in, which is not allowed in the USA.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=14851

[PeterB]

Yes, if you remember at the time Anna I said that what was issued here was the one that in Germany had to be paid for. i.e. Not the one that Angela Merkel had.

[cooran]

This was the previous thread.

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2651

[Annapurna]

Thanks, Cooran.

Well, Peter, then your numbers will not be valid for us...right?

What's also pathetic is, that none of the professors she went to found it necessary to report her case to the official vaccination center, where cases like hers should be reported.

She Keeps TELLING them, look, guys, I have been feeling awful since the vaccination, and they do not react!

I might though.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Anna,

Actually it seems there were a few Swine Flu topics. We might leave this one separate but when I find the others I'll move them to this sub-forum.

Metta,
Retro.

[Ben]

Hi Anna

My two boys and I had our swine flu vaccinations last Friday.
No ill effects.
kind regards

Ben

[Annapurna]

Thanks, Retro.

Why so late Ben? Wasn't the hype last year?

And, did you get the clean vaccine, or the one with enhancers?

[Ben]

Hi Anna
No not at all.
Last year i had the seasonal flu vaccination before Swine Flu hit.
There is a concern that the second wave of the swine flu could be more dangerous than the first - just like in 1919. The first wave of Spanish Influenza was no more dangerous than garden-variety influenza. It was during the second season that Spanish Flu became extremely virulent and killed 20 million people.
While i'm not in one of the vulnerable categories, my attitude is that the vaccination is cheap insurance.
kind regards

Ben

EDIT: To be honest, the only time I've heard about enhancers is here on Dhamma Wheel courtesy of you. We haven't had any discussion in this country with relation to 'enhancers' or the efficacy of the swine flu vaccination. There seems to be a general consensus that except for a very small number of adverse reactions, it is efficacious and beneficial protection against the virus.

[Annapurna]

Perhaps you don't have any enhancers in your vaccine, Ben!

Remember, there are 2 different kinds on the market... in the USA enhancers like Squalene are forbidden, but they're selling them to Europe or Germany.

It was discussed if we are the naive ginny pigs for the American market.

Wouldn't be the first time, think of Bikini.

But most Germans didn't get the vaccination, because they heard of the enhancers.

The government bought a lot of vaccine, and eventually had to ask if they take part of it back, because people refused to get the vaccination.

Ben, it was on the media day in day out.

Enhancers, enhancers. A huge discussion.

And when in supermarkets, you heard people barking, caughing.

Who knows, perhaps they had swine flu without knowing...

[mikenz66]

Hi Anna,

Why so late Ben? Wasn't the hype last year?

Remember that some of us are in the Southern Hemisphere. Ben is, I believe, talking about the regular flu shots that are released yearly in March/April down here, usually with the 2-3 varieties that were most virulent in the last northern winter. Which presumably this year includes the swineflu variety. I'll be having that in early April.

Metta
Mike

[Annapurna]

Silly me, of course. We are heading into spring now.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Anna,

Don't feel bad... despite me entering my location into the Wii, our Wii Fit still thought it was Winter when it was Summer. Snow drops falling on the television screen, scorching hot temperatures outside.

Thankfully Swine Flu didn't really become a "summer flu" like some were worried it might.

Metta,
Retro.

[cooran]

Hello Ben, Retro, all,

Ben - I'm glad your family has had the immunisation. Retro - the alert period is March/April .... we are just into it now.

The pandemic is not over and to date more than 14 000 laboratory-confirmed deaths have been reported world wide. Europe and the Americas experienced a second outbreak of Swine flu in the early months of the Northern Hemisphere winter. This “second wave” of swine flu is expected to return to Australia in March/April 2010.
http://www.health.qld.gov.au/swineflu/

with metta
Chris

[Ben]

Hi Chris

Thanks. I think it was on 7.30 report last night that deaths among pregnant women in Australia as a result of swine flu are 13 times greater than seasonal flu. I think a lot of people think its no big deal, but people are dying from it.
kind regards

Ben

[Annapurna]

Greetings Anna,

Don't feel bad... despite me entering my location into the Wii, our Wii Fit still thought it was Winter when it was Summer. Snow drops falling on the television screen, scorching hot temperatures outside.

Thankfully Swine Flu didn't really become a "summer flu" like some were worried it might.

Metta,
Retro.

Good. Can change the set-up of the Wii fit?

(Btw, I envy you for that!)

[Annapurna]

Hello Ben, Retro, all,

Ben - I'm glad your family has had the immunisation. Retro - the alert period is March/April .... we are just into it now.

The pandemic is not over and to date more than 14 000 laboratory-confirmed deaths have been reported world wide.[b] Europe and the Americas experienced a second outbreak of Swine flu in the early months of the Northern Hemisphere winter. This “second wave” of swine flu is expected to return to Australia in March/April 2010.[/b]
http://www.health.qld.gov.au/swineflu/

with metta
Chris

A "second" outbreak in the early winter in Europe? That would be Oktober, November , December.... but as far as I'm informed, (but I'm not omniscient) that was the first wave.

I'm not aware of a second wave as to this moment....

The media are relatively quiet about it now. Perhaps because the overall feeling HERE is , that we've been manipulated into fear which flushed millions into the wallets of Smith Kline. ...I don't know.

The only 4 or 5 people that I personally know who got the vaccvination got very ill from it, and regretted getting it.

Mind you, guys, I'm not opposed to getting a vaccination that is free of enhancers, but I'm very much opposed to the one with enhancers.

Squalene is a dangerous substance if injected, and Mercury isn't known as being harmless either.

[cooran]

Hello all,

I and all my colleagues, friends and family have had the Swine Flu injection and not one has experienced any, even slight, side-effects.

Swine Influenza (Swine Flu) H1N1 Outbreak
I have had phone calls about this, so I am moved to comment on the email etc going round re the Swine Flu Vaccine ...implying there is a conspiracy to poison the population, decrease our IQ etc etc with thimerosol ( spelled wrongly) and Squalene which are in the vaccine etc etc
In my view this email is grossly misleading and inflammatory (to put it politely!)
I wont go through every point of the email however a few points to consider

1. Thiomersal in the swine flu vaccine
Thiomersol is a compound used as a preservative in the vaccine. It is not mercury. It is certainly NOT the mercury compound that persists in the body and causes toxic effects.
The dangerous chemical is methylmercury. The vaccine contains a type of ethyl mercury.
Yes thiomersal does contain a mercury atom in the molecule, but we know that atoms behave differently depending on what they are bound to.
For example; Oxygen is flammable. Water has an OXYGEN molecule in the atom ( H2O) but water is NOT flammable like oxygen, because the oxygen behaves differently in a compound molecule.
Another analogy would be the arsenic in prawns - there is a type of asenic in prawns. ( If I need to do heavy metal screening on a patient, I have to request patients avoid eating prawns for several days prior to the test or they return a positive result. ....) Any of your friends have arsenic poisoning from prawns lately?

2. Squalene in the swine flu vaccine?
Squalene is a naturally occurring substance found in plants, animals, and humans. It is manufactured in the liver of every human body and circulates in our bloodstream. Squalene is also found in a variety of foods, cosmetics, over-the-counter medications, and health supplements.
THERE IS NO SQUALENE IN THE AUSTRALIAN VACCINE
http://www.thetraveldoctor.com.au/swine_flu.html

Squalene - World Health Organisation
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topic ... nswers/en/

with metta
Chris

[Annapurna]

Hi Chris

Thanks. I think it was on 7.30 report last night that deaths among pregnant women in Australia as a result of swine flu are 13 times greater than seasonal flu. I think a lot of people think its no big deal, but people are dying from it.
kind regards

Ben

Ben, I'm not even sure if women who are pregnant NOW, can still get a vaccination at all, that is usually risky. After all, it's 9 months in that state, almost a year.

I DON'T think this flu is no big deal, please don't misunderstand me.

I know flu is dangerous, I think I had one before, and had high fever and headache, felt miserable, but I didn't even see a doctor, I just stayed in bed with my homeopathic remedies, slept a lot and after 3 days the fever fell to normal and I was back on my feet the next day and bought food.

People always die, some from a normal influenza, some from a heart-attack, some in a plane crash. Should we forbid all greasy food and airplanes now?

It won't happen, because there is so much money in it.

And in vaccinations as well.

There is no insurance against death, and somehow I'm adverse to mass hysteria, which is the way I tend to see this, and mind you, it may be a reckless ignorant view for you guys, but this is the way most Germans feel now

So, that said, if somebody is scared, and can get a hold of a vaccine without enhancers, then by all means get this feeling of security.

I won't because I get ill from most vaccinations.

So I learned to rely on a healthy lifestyle more than anything.

Perhaps I simply don't cling to my life so much anymore as I used to.

I do like to live, but when it's time to go it's time to go, isn't it?

What can we do when the bullet has our name on it? It will find us. Karma?
There is no escaping this final destination.

What a smart ass I can be, I'm sorry.

And to add that: I'd rather die many years from now than now. Perhaps I can go forward in my studies...be of value...