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CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby VanCitySean » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:51 am

Hey guys,

I have a roommate who is a vipassnna meditator and he has done a master cleanse
detox and he says that he can go alot deeper to the enlightened state when
he cleanses,

so i have been contemplating taking on a cleanse to detox my body,

i am thinking about master cleanse but i like to know if there is a recommended cleanse
by the vipassna community and if buddist have a special cleanse ?

i have been a vegiterian for about 2 months now... eating no meat.


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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:13 am

VanCitySean wrote:i am thinking about master cleanse but i like to know if there is a recommended cleanse
by the vipassna community and if buddist have a special cleanse ?
No.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby bodom » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:51 am

VanCitySean wrote: i am thinking about master cleanse but i like to know if there is a recommended cleanse
by the vipassna community and if buddist have a special cleanse?


Only to cleanse your mind of greed, hatred and delusion.

:anjali:
The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:51 am

"go alot deeper to the enlightened state" doesn't sound like something a vipassana meditator would say, unless he misunderstands what the practice is about.

I notice when I fast that sensations in the body are stronger, and my awareness a little more vivid. I do believe after a few days when the the sensations from toxins subside that one would have an enhanced ability to concentrate but I've only ever fasted for 2-4 days at a time so haven't experienced this.

I don't think there is a recommended cleanse in vipassana circles, I don't recall hearing a teacher ever recommending going on a cleanse.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:35 am

Thankfully the Theravada is free from the kind of psuedo science and body fascism that gives rise to nonsense like the concept of detoxing. Which doesnt mean that all of its adherents have escaped being brainwashed by such notions. Whatever your friend is experiencing VanCitySean you can be fairly sure it has nothing to do with Enlightenment as taught by the Buddha.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:39 am

PeterB wrote:Thankfully the Theravada is free from the kind of psuedo science and body fascism that gives rise to nonsense like the concept of detoxing. Which doesnt mean that all of its adherents have escaped being brainwashed by such notions. Whatever your friend is experiencing VanCitySean you can be fairly sure it has nothing to do with Enlightenment as taught by the Buddha.
As is said in Hatha Yoga: If the colon is right the mind is right.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:41 am

oh come on peter, who doesn't like a good wheat grass enema before they meditate? really helps cleanse the aura and get the chakras lined up and spinning!
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:42 am

Well there you go. Cancel that Vipassana retreat and invest instead into a big bag of bran..
" Throw out those old fusty Dhamma books, know the complete freedom of the Cacayana "
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:44 am

The only cleansing and detox is sila and precept observance.

:anjali:

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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:48 am

jcsuperstar wrote: chakras lined up and spinning!
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:50 am

PeterB wrote:Cacayana "
It uses the Septic System.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:51 am

A pause while we move to the lounge.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:57 am

Apologies to the OP, but this just one of those subjects that invites the inner 13 year-old boys to emerge.

While a healthy body is generally important, the sort of bodily concerns of detoxing, etc, are not part of the traditional vipassana tradition.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby alan » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:48 am

It's true the OP was kind of silly.
However..,
Yoga and rigorous exercise, along with proper nutrition, contribute to a healthier body and a clearer mind.
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:51 am

alan wrote:It's true the OP was kind of silly.
However..,
Yoga and rigorous exercise, along with proper nutrition, contribute to a healthier body and a clearer mind.
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
I don't think that is really contested. What is contested is that a clean colon will lead to deeper insight by virtue of being clean.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:24 am

I have no doubt that a good balanced diet with lots of fresh fruit and veg and water will contribute to a more positive and relaxed attitude to life. including practice.
However there are people who ignore all of that. One very experienced Vipassana practitioner I knew appeared to live solely on bacon sandwiches.
He beamed compassion and wisdom.
Of course it killed him in the end , he was only about 83 when he died....
He was known as Arthur the Arahant..I don't think he was literally an Arahant but he certainly was a better Dhamma person than me..
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby Kenshou » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:30 am

I knew bacon was good, but not that good.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:36 am

Kenshou wrote:I knew bacon was good, but not that good.
Just don't feed it to pigs.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby phil » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:22 am

If you'll forgive a little Thich Nhat Hahn, he once said that if you are feeling depressed, it's probably due to something you've eaten, and I generally find that's true. Of course that is referring to all the senses. In a sense, the Buddha was a great dietician, urging us to be very attentive to what we consume through the six senses, and I find his training is definitely akin to cleansing and detox、at least at the level of the gross defilements.
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Re: CLeansing and detox to go deeper

Postby Potato » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:13 am

The master cleanse can actually interfere with the proper functioning of the liver and kidneys. It is not recommended by real doctors.
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