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Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Maitri » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:27 pm

Hello,

I stumbled across some of the videos of Brian Ruhe who is lay teacher in Canada. His webpage can be found here:

He has many videos on discussing various aspects of Buddhism. I find that he makes some pretty broad generalizations regarding Buddhist history and textual authenticity. He also states that Mahayana is not an accurate representation of the Buddha's teachings as it's text came later, the doctrines differ from the Pali canon and so forth. He then covers certain Mahayana schools (his descriptions are pretty bad most times) and is very dismissive of them to the point of calling them "not Buddhist". His approach seems to confuse practice and mythological history with Western fields of historical-textual criticism and lump them both together, i.e. Pure Land practice isn't authentic because it's text came later.

Most of he claims to be speaking for Theravada- which isn't really possible. Has anyone seen hos videos? What did you think of the tone? Lastly, should it be said more openly to newcomers that the later sutras of the Mahayana are not "really the Buddha's teachings"? Why do people keep agitating for their school as a pure form of Buddhism when that's clearly not the case? Lastly, when reading his book online I felt a rather Protestant- fundamentalist tinge to his words, has anyone else picked up on this? Is this Evangelical Theravada?
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Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:06 pm

I think I saw a little of one, and the tone didn't sound great, meaning neither the composed steady gentle air of Bikkhu Bodhi nor the kind warm attitude of Thich Nhat Hanh. But I am sure most of us here don't sound great on video either - luckily we aren't making any and spreading our confusion far and wide ;)
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Sokehi » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:31 pm

I watch some of his videos, but mostly when it comes to Dhammatalks and Interviews with Ajahn Sona that he was recording.

His own Talks and Teachings sound... well honestly I dislike as well the constant critisism of Mahayana. One might be able to practice and share the fruits of ones own practice without that.
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby reflection » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:52 pm

I think the division Theravada/Mahayana is unneeded. I did watch some things, but found them incorrect so as a response I added some comment to his video. Those comment I really worded nice and kindly with good arguments if I say so myself, but he did not respond and actually deleted it. I don't say this to discredit him, but just to say why at the replies on his channel you may mainly find comments that agree with him, or perhaps some replies he could easily deal with instead of those that really pin down the problems of his approach. I say this so you know there are many more that agree with you and what Brian Ruhe says is just what Brian Ruhe says and is in no way representative of some general Theravadan view (which you rightly say is impossible anyway).

But as a general remark you more often see people trying to justify their own beliefs by criticizing others. Even on things like outer appearance, people are putting others down so they get more self esteem. Or people point to other's mistakes so they seem smarter. I think this is a really unskillful way to go about things and something you will see done by someone who isn't really sure about his own way of going about things. In the case of criticizing the way others practice, it to me points to a lack of results of ones own practice. So teachers who mainly seem to criticize others, especially in an unskillful manner, I would just ignore. The Buddha said some things along those lines in some suttas also: that one shouldn't say "I understand and you don't, I practice right and you don't". Don't know the exact sutta but I vaguely recall somewhere in MN10-20 ??

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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Sokehi » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:45 pm

Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Maitri » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:48 pm

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Maitri » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:50 pm

If anyone wants to read his book, you can find it here Please know that it's not my intention to bash anyone, but only to investigate the claims presented.
"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Viscid » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:17 pm

I actually asked Brian a year or two ago whether or not his belief that Mahayana was the product of Mara () also represented Ajahn Sona's views, and he said that it does. It made me stop taking Ajahn Sona very seriously.
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Samma » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:02 pm

Viscid right in the video he goes short of saying "Mara made Mahayana". He qualified answer is:
"I cant say with certainty ... I don't really know what to believe ... its possible that mara made mahayana"


Short take: Guy is refreshing but a bit wacky.

IMO we already get enough of this consensus Buddhism in the US where its all lets mash different teachings together, pretend they mesh not focus on the differences, and all just get along. Still, we can recognize the differences in a more thoroughgoing way without being as dismissive or wacky about it as he tends to get though.

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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Sokehi » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:05 pm

Marayana... what a horrible unskillful play with words :/ wouldn't expect that sort of "humor" within buddhist communities
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Maitri » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:26 pm

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby reflection » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:43 pm

Well talking about not identifying with labels - I actually think that is an important thing on some levels. (But do think taking refuge etc are good things.)

In my eyes we could turn this teachings around into something useful. Maybe anybody who feels offended is attached to belonging to a group or identifies with labels. I mean, if anybody were to call Theravada "Hinayana" and say it is basically shit that leads nowhere, I wouldn't feel hurt by that. So his teachings may be a good test for some, but not the way he intended.
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Benjamin » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:34 am

"Don't believe everything you read."
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Sokehi » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:48 pm

What wonders me most now if Ajahn Sona agrees with that attitude... Some here might have more insight onto this topic. I'm unhappy about Brians apparently sectiaranistic approach. I found quite a number of his teachings on Youtube by Ajahn Sona very good and interesting, but I'd like to know what more knowledgeable members of the community think about this.
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Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Viscid » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:30 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

Postby Maitri » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:58 am

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: Brian Ruhe and Representation

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