David N. Snyder wrote:
Brian Ruhe wrote:Most of the posts above are critical of me except the one by Dan74 below, which I agree with:
I am pretty sure (although Dan74 can clarify to be sure), that Dan was saying that with sarcasm, to show the ludicrousness of the revisionist view; to simply show what their view is, not necessarily his view.
No sarcasm was intended, more of a sadness that memes such as these spread like disease and with the passing of survivors, there will be fewer living witnesses to what took place.
I spent my first 14 years in Soviet Ukraine where the Nazi genocide of the Jews was not spoken of. My hometown was under German occupation and I personally know a Ukrainian family who hid their Jewish neighbours in the cellar at the risk of death. After the war, their son married the Jewish girl and lived a long life together.
We also knew from words of mouth about Babi Yar, a place where over 30000 civilians, women and children were made to dig their own grave and shot. When acclaimed Soviet poet Evgeni Evtushenko wrote about it http://boppin.com/poets/yy_babiyar.htm
he was hounded and abused. Of course it all paled in comparison to what happened in Birkenau and I knew a couple, a Polish mathematician and his wife who escaped. They both had the numbers tattooed still and would not speak of it. Later, as a student of mathematics, I learned the story of Felix Hausdorff, a brillian man, whose work we study in undegraduate courses, who committed suicide at 74 rather than be deported to the concentration camp.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Hausdorff
Brian, I am sorry that I disappoint you. I see that you are sincere man. Your beliefs may be emotionally satisfying and very important to you, but they are not based on facts. You and your fellow revisionists are deeply deluded. While of course the figure of 6 million may not be the final word on the precise number of those murdered, the facts of the genocide are indisputable. Photographic and video evidence, evidence from the Russian soldiers and commanders who liberated the camps and of course the evidence of survivors makes this one of the best proven facts of modern history.
And of course this is but one of Hitler's crimes. One of his first massacres was of Germany's own children, the handicapped, kids with sometimes a mild deformity and disability, taken from their parents under false pretenses to 'cleanse' the race. The Roma people (gypsies). Gay people. Communists. His dying wish was to be another crime, to leave a 'scorched earth' behind, destroying everything, that luckily those around him did not carry out.
After the war, the Germany rose from the ashes to become the economic powerhouse of Europe, a major power. And the Jewish people too rose from their loss to position of influence like never before. It appears to be threatening to many and it is a task of democracy to ensure that no single group, corporation or interest, has a disproportionate say. But this is a separate issue altogether and not to be conflated with the Holocaust.
Brian, if you truly care for truth, you will examine your feelings and find them far from impartial. So much so that your were not able to see the plain meaning of my post. Yes, we are often not told the whole story, and it is commendable to investigate to check the commonly accepted view of things, but such an investigation needs to be careful and impartial, checking the sources. Otherwise it's likely to arrive at a conclusion that is even further from the truth.