Shaking during meditation

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Shaking during meditation

Postby carlosm » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:49 am

Hi,

Since the last few days when I'm doing meditation (anapanasati) I've been feeling shaking in my body, and I cannot seem to focus. If I'm just really still I can feel a shaking sensation in the whole body, like if there were some construction working in the building. I'm wondering sometimes if this could be do to a health issue, or a posture in the meditation (I'm meditation in burmese posture), or is just some 'fabrication' of my brain trying to annoy me! I know that meditation "cannot" go "wrong", but I feel like I'm not focus during my sitting at all . Do you have any advice?

Thank you,
Carlos

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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby Ben » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:54 am

Hi Carlos

Try and remained focused on the object of meditation for as long as possible without a break in your concentration..
As concentration develops we notice all sorts of subtle stuff going on in our mind and body we had been previously unaware of.
Don't pay it any attention and retrain your focus on your breath!
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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:07 am

this has happened to me on several occasions over the past year, it was quite violent at times for me.

I was concerned the first time it happened and the second time I spoke to some monastics about it to get some different views upon it, one opinion was it was simply the wind element (the element of movement) and another was that it was an energy block releasing, and another said it was getting close to jhana and the faculties were out of sync.
I have my doubts about the Jhana aspect, but each of them may have some grain of truth for what was happening to me or to others.

either way I focused on it as an element, just doing what it does, due to a block, and from my experience it is nothing to worry about.
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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby carlosm » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:33 pm

Ben wrote:Hi Carlos

Try and remained focused on the object of meditation for as long as possible without a break in your concentration..
As concentration develops we notice all sorts of subtle stuff going on in our mind and body we had been previously unaware of.
Don't pay it any attention and retrain your focus on your breath!
All the best,

Ben


I was thinking about this too. The problem is, I've been much more concentrated before and never experience this shaking, is just happens after a few minutes into meditation and I'm not really deep focus, so I feel that is not something that I've missed before because in this particular sittings meditations my concentration was not developed that much. Maybe I'm looking at it in the wrong way? Do you have any other guidance?

Thanks for your comment Ben. :anjali:

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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby carlosm » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:34 pm

Cittasanto wrote:this has happened to me on several occasions over the past year, it was quite violent at times for me.

I was concerned the first time it happened and the second time I spoke to some monastics about it to get some different views upon it, one opinion was it was simply the wind element (the element of movement) and another was that it was an energy block releasing, and another said it was getting close to jhana and the faculties were out of sync.
I have my doubts about the Jhana aspect, but each of them may have some grain of truth for what was happening to me or to others.

either way I focused on it as an element, just doing what it does, due to a block, and from my experience it is nothing to worry about.


Interesting knowing about the reason. When you say 'I focused on it as an element' do you mean that you practice vipassana and just note the sensation?
Kind regards,
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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:01 pm

carlosm wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:this has happened to me on several occasions over the past year, it was quite violent at times for me.

I was concerned the first time it happened and the second time I spoke to some monastics about it to get some different views upon it, one opinion was it was simply the wind element (the element of movement) and another was that it was an energy block releasing, and another said it was getting close to jhana and the faculties were out of sync.
I have my doubts about the Jhana aspect, but each of them may have some grain of truth for what was happening to me or to others.

either way I focused on it as an element, just doing what it does, due to a block, and from my experience it is nothing to worry about.


Interesting knowing about the reason. When you say 'I focused on it as an element' do you mean that you practice vipassana and just note the sensation?
Kind regards,
Carlos

This is what I meant
Mahasatipatthana Sutta DN22, Section 2.5 The Section about Reflecting on the Elements - Dhātumanasikārapabbaṃ (my translation) wrote:Mendicants, at another time the meditator reflects in this way on this body,
in whatever posture, in whatever position, they reflect on the elements of the body:
“There exists in this body,
the element of solidity (earth,) the element of cohesion (water,) the element of heat (fire,) the element of movement (wind.)”
Mendicants, just as a clever butcher, or their apprentice,
having killed a cow were to sit down at a cross -road and divide it up into portions;
Mendicants, indeed it is a meditator who reflects in this way on the body,
in whatever posture, in whatever position, I reflect on the elements of the body:
“There exists in this body,
the element of solidity (earth,) the element of cohesion (water,) the element of heat (fire,) the element of movement (wind.)”
You should also abide contemplating the body as a collection of parts regarding yourselves (internally,) or
abide contemplating the body as a collection of parts regarding others (externally,) or
abide contemplating the body as a collection of parts regarding yourselves (internally,) and others (externally,) or
abide contemplating qualities of origination regarding the body, or
abide contemplating qualities of cessation regarding the body, or
abide contemplating qualities of origination, and cessation regarding the body,
or else mindfulness is that “there is a body,” is present
for the purpose of fully developing knowledge and mindfulness,
abide not dependent on or grasping for something in the world.
Mendicants, it is a meditator who abides contemplating the body as a collection of parts just so.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

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Re: Shaking during meditation

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:28 am

carlosm wrote:
Ben wrote:Hi Carlos

Try and remained focused on the object of meditation for as long as possible without a break in your concentration..
As concentration develops we notice all sorts of subtle stuff going on in our mind and body we had been previously unaware of.
Don't pay it any attention and retrain your focus on your breath!
All the best,

Ben


I was thinking about this too. The problem is, I've been much more concentrated before and never experience this shaking, is just happens after a few minutes into meditation and I'm not really deep focus, so I feel that is not something that I've missed before because in this particular sittings meditations my concentration was not developed that much. Maybe I'm looking at it in the wrong way? Do you have any other guidance?

Thanks for your comment Ben. :anjali:

Hi Carlos, I think this sort of thing might manifest in different ways, depending on what approach you are using, and the "remedy" also depends on the approach.

In my case I mostly follow the Mahasi approach, where the basic idea is to focus on the most prominent thing that's going on, so if I'm shaking, etc, that's what I focus on. What I've noticed is that the times this happens to me is when I'm getting concentrated, but my mindfulness is slipping and I'm not really paying enough attention. It could also be interpreted in terms of the balance between the faculties of energy and concentration.

:anjali:
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