General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
by Vincenzi » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:57 pm
i have some unresolved intelectualistic objections against "access meditation".
as far as i know:
anapanasatti - 4 jhānas - 4 arupa-jhānas
what's "access meditation", and what's its relationship with vipassana?
arguments supported by sutric reference preferred.
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by Khalil Bodhi » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:09 pm
Salve Vincenzi,
I believe the phrase you are looking for is "access concentration". I believe it is found primarily (if not exclusively) in the commentaries but I'm sure someone more knowledgable will reply shortly.
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by cooran » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:13 pm
Hello V.,
Access Concentration is Upacara Samadhi - and is a factor related to Jhana Meditation:
Have a look at paragraph B :
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awa ... ption.htmlwith metta
Chris
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by space_wrangler » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:09 pm
i could be wrong but i believe access concentration is from the commentaries, not in the suttas, as the suttas do not teach one-pointed concentration? if im wrong please inform me.
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by retrofuturist » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:22 pm
Greetings,
space_wrangler wrote:i could be wrong but i believe access concentration is from the commentaries, not in the suttas, as the suttas do not teach one-pointed concentration? if im wrong please inform me.
You are correct... which is going to make the OP's stated preference for sutta-based supporting evidence/argumentation hard to come by.
Metta,
Retro.

If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra PanyapatipoDharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum)
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by Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:12 am
A search for "upacārasamādhi*" found nothing in the CSCD Tipṭaka until the Commentaries were included, so we can say with confidence that the term is exclusively used in the Comentaries, Subcommentaries, or Other works like the Visuddhimagga.
The Venerable Ledi Sayādaw explains
How to Proceed to Insight using mindfulness of respiration as the meditation object.
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by Ben » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:43 am
Thank you, Bhante.
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by tiltbillings » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:13 am
space_wrangler wrote:i could be wrong but i believe access concentration is from the commentaries, not in the suttas, as the suttas do not teach one-pointed concentration? if im wrong please inform me.
it is, indeed, a commentarial concept, but that does not mean it is not a useful concept in understanding one's experience. The authors of the commentaries were not complete bozos.
What is the use of his knowledge
pertaining to the number of insects in the whole world?
Rather, inquire into his knowledge of
that which is to be practised by us
-- Dharmakirti
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.
Níl sa saol seo ach ceo
There is naught in this life but mist
Is ní bheimid beo ach seal beag gearr.
And we will not be alive but a short hard time.
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by Alex123 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:27 pm
space_wrangler wrote:i could be wrong but i believe access concentration is from the commentaries, not in the suttas, as the suttas do not teach one-pointed concentration? if im wrong please inform me.
Just because the term upacārasamādh* is not used in the suttas, it doesn't mean that what it stands for wasn't taught by the Buddha.
For example, before one reaches Jhāna (
or any insight for that matter), hindrances need to be temporary removed. This cessation of hindrances, IMHO, is in principle equivalent to what was later only technically called "access concentration".
We need to look at the meaning rather than only at mere words.
If life is imperfect (dukkha), then it is ignorant to try to change it to perfection (sukha). Accept what is!
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