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It certainly makes my brain hurt.reflection wrote: Thinking sucks.
Do you mean using this like a mantra, or just as a response to thoughts and feelings arising?pegembara wrote:'This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self.'
There seem to be many different approaches to meditation.Viscid wrote:Discursive thinking in meditation has a rather undeserved poor reputation.
All emphasise awareness.porpoise wrote:There seem to be many different approaches to meditation.Viscid wrote:Discursive thinking in meditation has a rather undeserved poor reputation.
I think there is agreement that methods differ, serve different purposes, yield different effects, but all access the same experience.PeDr0 wrote:... it seems to me that everyone thinks they are an expert at meditation but no two people can agree on the correct methods.
That's certainly true. Such practices certainly involve thinking and concepts.PeDr0 wrote:What about asubha bhavana meditation, I have been told that this is a very important meditation practice, that definately involves thought. As does the metta bhavana.
This is partly because there are variety of methods, and the natural thing when one has learned a little is to think that one particular method is the only correct approach and/or all that is required.PeDr0 wrote: Good question, it seems to me that everyone thinks they are an expert at meditation but no two people can agree on the correct methods.
I agree, and it's good to be clear about what particular methods are for.dharmagoat wrote:A particular method is correct only for its specific purpose.
Possibly because insight is non-conceptual and thinking gets in the way?daverupa wrote: But this is absurd; so, of what benefit is this lack of thought, mentioned by so many?
Thinking has gotten a bad rap, but the texts speak of three ways of developing wisdom, one of which is using conceptual thought. There is wisdom obtained from listening to others (suta-maya panna), wisdom obtained from one's own thinking (cinta-maya panna) and wisdom obtained by meditation (bhavana-maya panna).porpoise wrote:Possibly because insight is non-conceptual and thinking gets in the way?daverupa wrote: But this is absurd; so, of what benefit is this lack of thought, mentioned by so many?
I use it as a way of viewing objects (sounds, sensations, thoughts etc) arising and passing away. To do that you need a certain degree of stillness/samadhi.porpoise wrote:Do you mean using this like a mantra, or just as a response to thoughts and feelings arising?pegembara wrote:'This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self.'
Do you see these as a progression, ie first hearing, then internalising, then directly experiencing?bodom wrote:Thinking has gotten a bad rap, but the texts speak of three ways of developing wisdom, one of which is using conceptual thought. There is wisdom obtained from listening to others (suta-maya panna), wisdom obtained from one's own thinking (cinta-maya panna) and wisdom obtained by meditation (bhavana-maya panna).