mikenz66 wrote:Hi theY,
theY wrote:It have a lot of reason to fobid you to come to thailand temple.
Don't be misled to come to thailand.
I don't understand your post. Perhaps it is an English problem.
Quite a few people here have Thai or Thai-trained teachers, and/or have spent time in Thailand. Clearly there are some excellent teachers in Thailand. I would caution, however, that there is a huge variation in Thailand (presumably this is the case in Burma as well..), and one would want to select a place where it was clear that there were English-speaking teachers and good organisation.
At the risk of straying off topic, Malaysia is also a serious option. Many of the famous Burmese and Thai groups (Mahasi, Pa Auk, etc) have meditation centres there, English is widely spoken, and visas are no problem for most passport holders. I've not been to Malaysia for mediation myself, but I've met a number of excellent Malaysian monks and know people here who go to Malaysia for retreats.
Mike
We, thai people, have something same at terrible, Dan. We don't have only variation.
I completely write at this point by my experience around my country. I don't just ask from our monks like another do, because sometime they don't know more than their terrible central course and their traditon have train them, but living with monk and another teachers is my life.
Our observetion the vinaya precepts of sangha so week, and meditation teaching have being for worship and fame, include prapaa and another.
The least of our monks understand lābhasakkārasaṅyutta and meditate or teaching to enlighten. However vinaya of sangha and our learning have being under-restoration state, so those least of our monk effected from that, too.
Example fails:
In thailand actually include Wat Pā Nānāchāt of chā mahāthera:
-Every monks can get money, at least they get it for saṅgha, or to take a trip.
Āpattis can have in this case: geting money for self=pācittīya, for saṅgha=dukkṭa, even though the monk get money by mis-understand "It is another, isn't money".
-The best least monks of almost whole of our monks memorized only bhikkhu pātimokkha, so our monks can't take nissaya from their teachers
Āpattis can have in this case: dukkata to who let they get and nissaya taking doesn't success.
Another: no nissaya monks simile to orphan, and mis-nissaya-taking-monks simile to under-standard-student. Moreover, they are the hardcore orphan/student, because they get that state in hardcore teaching religious, so mistaking in chance will be more than another religious, too. Be pity.
-In Burma at least monks must memorized 2 pātimokkhas, bikkhu and bikkhunī. In some monastery will anti dis-memorized bikkhu, too. And they have moreover than ten thousands monks who can memorize a little vinaya summary book, name
khuddasikkhā, but thailand have only 2 monk who can memorized that book. However they have their vinaya book that more detail than khuddasikkhā, but a little bit monks leaned it, and the most of leaned person can't observe vinaya follow to that book. They just learn to pass central test. Oh! my Buddha.
-We just have 2 memorized part(yes "part" no "whole") of tipitaka, moreover, one is bad in vinaya observetion.
-Pali skill of thai-monk have being in the level of crisis--the most can't read, almost whole can't speak or listen, even though they are passed high-level-central-test of Thai central Sangha. English is good more than that, moderately, but whole dhammavinayas and commentaries observe in Pāli, no Thai or English.
-Our cantral course of monk had wrote by unbelievers in commentary, their boss believed 'history ,such as Jātaka, from commentary is novel'--heretofore similar of this phase always in our central course. And their books had being the cantral course of our monk for moreover 100 years ago. Don't have anybody can change them.
In the past, prapaa had restrict vinaya more than nowadays, but they had been slowly losing their restriction, since those books published.
etc.
Check your Thailand database person about knowledge in this example fails carefully. If they just observe Thai tradition more than give you the referential informations, please, avoid them.
I'm not a anti Thailand Monk, I know about the good view of thai monk and the bad view of burma monk, too. But summary of tipitaka verified information is "We should deny Thailand to practice our mind because they loose our right buddhist learning system, so long time. And we just still at under-restoration state."
Although, I work with organization that try to restore our buddhist tradition, but our organization just be state at under-restoration organization, unstable. We should need teachers from burma, more than being teacher for another.
Another Experience:
-I have foreigner relatives who had ordained with thai prapaa for 1 month. Then he was worn away, he had being a heretic.
Recommend:
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Above school has tipitaka learning, observetion the vinaya precepts, and meditation completely strict more than thai prapaa and another of thai all the way.
Pitaka memorizer of srilanka and thai, only one of Thailand, go to practice samatha and vipassanā at this school. I talk with this thai-monk every year. I didn't take only a rumor.
No long time ago, I have spoken with vipassanā teacher of this monastery, ven.Revata. I had amazing that his teaching method similar with my thinking so much. Though we talked pass interpreter, but he can understand my following tipitaka thinking more than my buddhist compatriots, include my last, 3 years ago, main teacher. This case so amazing similar to somebody in this forum can understand my conclusion about Sujin mistake more than my buddhist compatriots, both my organization friends and her students.
note:
Shouldn't hate them.
Be pitying to thai-monk, please.
P.S. I believe thai tipitaka professors who read this reply will love and assure it. I choose to reply , to suggest you some view of thai-buddhism that you haven't known, like this because I just not want to let you know, but I have a little bit hope that this reply may let me get same thai buddhist tradition restorer ideology who may reading this reply, too. Another, it is a little bit declaration to the most thai monks "someone want to caution you about your out of tipitaka behaviour, but we can't act like that because you attach your out of tipitaka behaviour overabundantly to listen tipitaka or us."
May be off-topic reply, but I think it may be a little bit useful reply for you to choose meditation practice country.
From: a thai.
