Bare Attention

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Bare Attention

Postby Beautiful Breath » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:52 am

Hi,

Can anyone offer some links to the practice of Bare Attention in the Theravadin tradition? Sounds like it might be very similar to the Zennies Silent Illumination/Shikantaza.

Might go some way top helping me reconcile my previous post in here.

Thanks!

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Re: Bare Attention

Postby Beautiful Breath » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:17 pm

I guess also, if there is little difference between Silent Illumination and 'Bare Attention' why would the Chan tradition seem to claim it as their own tracing it back to Hongzhi and probably further?

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Re: Bare Attention

Postby Dan74 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:31 pm

BB, haven't you asked these questions here before?
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby Sumangalo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:56 pm

I have heard Ajahn Geoff say that the Buddha never spoke of bare attention but only of skillful and unskillful attention.
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:48 pm

Sumangalo wrote:I have heard Ajahn Geoff say that the Buddha never spoke of bare attention but only of skillful and unskillful attention.
You mayt find this thread of interest:
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:49 pm

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby Sumangalo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:28 pm

Thanks Tilt. I had no idea that this was such a hot button topic :shock: . I have a great amount of respect for many of the teachers listed in that thread.
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby Beautiful Breath » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:55 am

Dan74 wrote:BB, haven't you asked these questions here before?



...probably, in a thousand forums :-)

no harm in the odd revisit though eh?

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Re: Bare Attention

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:44 am

Sumangalo wrote:Thanks Tilt. I had no idea that this was such a hot button topic :shock: . I have a great amount of respect for many of the teachers listed in that thread.
Interesting business. A lot of blowhard opinion mongers in that thread, including me.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby danieLion » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:37 pm

Hi BB,
I find value in both Analayo's and Thanissaro's takes despite the divergences. It's probably not an either-or situation, and taking sides is probably not good for one's practice. It's probably best to test things for yourself and use wisdom to guide you through the "results."
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Re: Bare Attention

Postby daverupa » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:51 pm

danieLion wrote:I find value in both Analayo's and Thanissaro's takes despite the divergences. It's probably not an either-or situation, and taking sides is probably not good for one's practice. It's probably best to test things for yourself and use wisdom to guide you through the "results."


This is a good point. As shown with the simile of the cook (@ SN 47.8), we need to develop the precise method by applying the principles in our own case while calmly and honestly assessing results.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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