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Four Elements meditation

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:19 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:15 pm

thanks,

i have aversion to 'hot', so would this practice be benificial in developing equanimity to heat, by being aware of coolness. or is equanimity only possible through observing the impermenance of the sensation of heat?
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:58 pm

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The path of Dhamma is no picnic . It is a strenuous march steeply up the hill . If all the comrades desert you , Walk alone ! Walk alone ! with all the Thrill !!

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Here's a link to the text mentioned in the OP: www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/fourelements.pdf

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:03 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Mkoll » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:14 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:46 pm

thanks Mkoll

the insight aspect with the four elements seems to be Vishuddimagga based from what i can gather. i guess its not meant to be intellectually understood, rather understood as its experienced through meditation with a teacher.

im curious as to whether its only bhikku's in certain traditions practice this. is it too in-depth and difficult for lay practitioners to give the required time and effort to ? :shrug:
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

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Re: Four Elements meditation

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:55 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby mettafuture » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:05 am

This dhamma talk by Shaila Catherine may be of interest.

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:55 pm

hi mettafuture

thanks for that, it was interesting especially as she's studied with the venerable Pa Auk Sayadaw. the guided meditation was definitely easier to follow and comprehend than recalling the written format.

in practice it feels very similar to the Goenke technique of body scanning which may or may not be helpful for me as i may be liable to confuse the techniques. anyway, i'll stick with anapanasati for now .

metta :smile:
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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby mettafuture » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:15 am

You're welcome, kitzt. It's really unfortunately more resources on elements meditation aren't available in the West. It's a very powerful technique, especially for developing intuition in regards to anatta and dependent origination.

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Re: Four Elements meditation

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:01 pm

hi mike

thanks very much for the links

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Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Babadhari » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:32 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Four Elements meditation

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby khlawng » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:16 am

There is one other thing I found interesting with 4 element meditation, and that is that it has some healing properties when you have minor body discomfort due to some sickness.
I found it useful e.g. after a bulk of food poisoning to sit in samadhi, bring attention down to the intestinal area (which was hurting) and spending 5 to 10mins on each element.
It does ease the discomfort quite noticeably.
For each element e.g. earth element, just think in your mind "may the earth element in the [affected area] align itself" and just let each element work itself out.
Aside from that, 4 element meditation for me results in:

1. Earth-element: very distinctive heaviness
2. Water-element: flowing like liquid sloshing around the entire body
3. Fire-element: heat but very slight only
4. Air-element: supporting and lightness

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Re: Four Elements meditation

Postby Mkoll » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:16 am

Thanks for the tips, khlawng. I'll have to try that.

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