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Key component missing? Does the wheel turn smoothly without?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Postby beeblebrox » Thu May 08, 2014 4:07 pm

Hi All,

Maybe it would be helpful to look at the five hindrances (sensory desire, ill-will, sloth/torpor, restlessness/worry, and doubt), and then think about whether it is possible, useful or feasible to try to suppress any of them during an actual practice.

For example, how do we "suppress" the torpor, or doubt?

The point of these hindrances is that they interfere with the effectiveness of the practice.

If any one of them is present, then it is a part of practice to figure out what to do with it. I think that is a part of developing the insight.

If the act of "suppressing" develops a tension and that doesn't feel good, then I think it would end up leading to the ill-will, or worry, and maybe doubt about the method of the practice. It is basically self-correcting.

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Postby VinceField » Fri May 09, 2014 4:57 pm

If you read the quotes I posted from Bhante's book, you will clearly see that his use of the word suppression signifies a forced blockage of arising hinderances, rather than a mindful allowance followed by a mindful release. It is explained as more of a burying of the hindrance, rather than a proper dissemination via progressive mindful detachment. One can stop the hinderance from arising for a period of time, but this does not mean that the underlying mechanisms driving the hinderance have ceased to exist. One can simply be burying the hinderance under newly acquired mental screens and subconscious programmings without truly ridding oneself from it.

Having switched from Vipassana meditation to Bhante's teachings, I have experienced (to an extent) the validity of this distinction.

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