Tips for a noisy meditation

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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby walkart » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:27 pm

greeneggsandsam wrote:Yes, I think this is the easiest way around it... I usually meditate at night when everyone is asleep, because I am terrible at waking early :zzz:


The difficulty in the waking aerly is the path between bad and shower.

Also your difficulty is may be the result of not respecting the sleeping cycles. One sleeping cycle is about 1h30, so if you wake up in the middle of the last cycle - it's trublesome.

So, to wake up in a better way you have to do it after 1h30 or 3h00 or 4h30 or 6h00 or 7h30 or 9h00 of sleeping etc. Not between.
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby greeneggsandsam » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:51 pm

walkart wrote:
greeneggsandsam wrote:Yes, I think this is the easiest way around it... I usually meditate at night when everyone is asleep, because I am terrible at waking early :zzz:


The difficulty in the waking aerly is the path between bad and shower.

Also your difficulty is may be the result of not respecting the sleeping cycles. One sleeping cycle is about 1h30, so if you wake up in the middle of the last cycle - it's trublesome.

So, to wake up in a better way you have to do it after 1h30 or 3h00 or 4h30 or 6h00 or 7h30 or 9h00 of sleeping etc. Not between.


that is very interesting, I will try and be systematic with my cycling!

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:Obviously your living environment is completely unknown to me...
My room has a door with a small window in it....the family I am with, know not to "disturb" me when my door is closed and I have drawn the little curtain over the frosted window (which is not see-thru in any case....)
At other times, if the door is closed, and uncurtained, they knock. Most of the time, I leave it wide open....

Can you not try to discuss these distractions with them, reach a compromise, ask them to not disturb you, or go to a separate place in the house where you can sit quietly and not be assailed too much by their noise?


Unfortunately, I don't have enough room in my bedroom to meditate, it is very small. I live in a crowded house and unfortunately I am the only practicing buddhist, so they don't see the point in what I am doing, and yes I have tried to explain and ask for compromise but so far has proven unsuccessful :shrug:
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:54 pm

Do you live with family, or is it shared accommodation with fellow tenants....?

The former is bad luck, :console: the latter could be changed.....
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby Weakfocus » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:31 pm

greeneggsandsam wrote:Any useful tips on how to not get distracted by such noise??


Use earplugs. There are many different types, some are more comfortable than others, some are cheaper than others.

I use cheap reusable/washable earplugs for all my sittings since I live in an extremely noise polluted enviornment, they have worked well for me.

walkart wrote:Also your difficulty is may be the result of not respecting the sleeping cycles. One sleeping cycle is about 1h30, so if you wake up in the middle of the last cycle - it's trublesome.


Good point. Sleepytime might be beneficial for those planning to wake to alarms.
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby Mkoll » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:45 pm

walkart wrote:
greeneggsandsam wrote:Yes, I think this is the easiest way around it... I usually meditate at night when everyone is asleep, because I am terrible at waking early :zzz:


The difficulty in the waking aerly is the path between bad and shower.

Also your difficulty is may be the result of not respecting the sleeping cycles. One sleeping cycle is about 1h30, so if you wake up in the middle of the last cycle - it's trublesome.

So, to wake up in a better way you have to do it after 1h30 or 3h00 or 4h30 or 6h00 or 7h30 or 9h00 of sleeping etc. Not between.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Can you give a link or source for that information?
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby walkart » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:01 am

Mkoll wrote:Interesting, I didn't know that. Can you give a link or source for that information?


Actually i have not any link, i read it in a book.
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:14 am

A book is a source. What book?
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby walkart » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:28 am

Mkoll wrote:A book is a source. What book?


In that book it's not much developped. This book talk about efficace learning, and don't exist in english.

Actualy it's said that sleeping cycle is aboout 1h30 (90min). That per night we have about 6/5 or 4 cycles, and if we want to sleep less we can delete one or more cycles. And this cycle period is due to our ancient forest mode of life, where it is dangerous to sleep for a long period and it's safer to sleep by short cycles.

It's all that i know. :thinking:
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby VinceField » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:51 pm

Mkoll wrote:
walkart wrote:Also your difficulty is may be the result of not respecting the sleeping cycles. One sleeping cycle is about 1h30, so if you wake up in the middle of the last cycle - it's trublesome.

So, to wake up in a better way you have to do it after 1h30 or 3h00 or 4h30 or 6h00 or 7h30 or 9h00 of sleeping etc. Not between.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Can you give a link or source for that information?


This is indeed accurate. A simple google search will provide an abundance of sources, many scientific, others experiential, confirming this. My years of personal experience experimenting with my sleep cycles as a means of inducing out of body experiences and lucid dreaming have confirmed this without a doubt. Steven LaBerge comes to mind as one of the pioneers in sleep and dream research, perhaps check him out. ;)
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby Mkoll » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:14 pm

Very cool. So it sounds like 6 or 7.5 hours is a good amount for a full night's sleep, depending on how much sleep your body needs. 9 hours is likely to be too much.
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby VinceField » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:57 am

Sounds about right, although there are theories that humans were actually designed to sleep in smaller segments spaced out throughout a 24 hour period, usually consisting of one to three cycles per sleep segment, as it is said that this is how early humans slept before the creation of industrial societies and electricity.

I actually sleep this way about half of the week due to my work schedule. On the the three days I have to wake up early I usually sleep for three cycles, and then sleep for another one or two cycles about 5 hours later. Although I am usually pretty tired for the initial waking period, I feel fully rested after the second sleep segment. This sleep schedule is also extremely beneficial for inducing lucid dreams and out of body experiences, for at the end of the second segment one's body and mind are naturally in the ideal conditions and it is a nearly effortless process. With proper intention and technique these experiences are almost guaranteed at the end of the second segment.

Dreams normally occur at the end of each sleep cycle for the average person, so awaking after a dream is an indicator that a full cycle of sleep has just been completed. This may help if you are interested in keeping track of your sleep cycles.
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Re: Tips for a noisy meditation

Postby Mkoll » Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:08 am

VinceField wrote:Dreams normally occur at the end of each sleep cycle for the average person, so awaking after a dream is an indicator that a full cycle of sleep has just been completed. This may help if you are interested in keeping track of your sleep cycles.

Good to know, thanks.
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Sleep cycles and detoxification

Postby Denisa » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:05 pm

When playing with sleep cycles better not to mess with the natural detoxification process of the body. Otherwise we might end up with cancer. Years back I read about this in a research article which is not available online, but if someone interested this might be helpful.
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