Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

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Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:47 pm

I just want to raise the topic on ayahuasca, I know a person that has attained nibbana under its influence, maybe it would be a good discussion of on the 5th precept. What would you say about it?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:49 pm

And that person is still in Nibbana out of its influence?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:51 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:And that person is still in Nibbana out of its influence?


Yes
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:54 pm

How do they manifest this?
What leads either you or him to definitely ascertain it is Nibbana?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:57 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:How do they manifest this?
What leads either you or him to definitely ascertain it is Nibbana?


Unshakeable faith in the buddha, the dhamma and the sangha.
No angry thoughts towards other beings.
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:59 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:How do they manifest this?
What leads either you or him to definitely ascertain it is Nibbana?


Also, always meditating, with every experience something is learned.
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:03 pm

How long ago was this, exactly?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:04 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:How long ago was this, exactly?

May 24th
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:05 pm

have they partaken of this substance, since?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:06 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:have they partaken of this substance, since?

No
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:09 pm

I wouldn't trust to it, myself. I would prefer to attain 'Nibbana' under my own steam, not rely on some potentially mind-altering substance to do the work for me.

not to be recommended....
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Panegalli » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:11 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:I wouldn't trust to it, myself. I would prefer to attain 'Nibbana' under my own steam, not rely on some potentially mind-altering substance to do the work for me.

not to be recommended....


Ok, but reality is always reality, and if it is useful to take ayahuasca, i think it should be recommended.
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:15 pm

Then you stand isolated.

The 5th precept clearly advises against it.

Reality is not reality.

There, you are much mistaken; if that is the perception this substance gives you, it's back to the drawing board....
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Viscid » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:16 pm

Here's a monk (Ven. Pannobhasa) who did Ayahuasca:

http://thebahiyablog.blogspot.ca/2013/12/trial-by-ordeal-buddhism-meets-ayahuasca.html

It's difficult to say whether what is experienced when drinking Ayahuasca is similar to or can lead to 'Nibbana.' It's certainly a transcendent state of some kind.. but Nibbana is rarely described as having any content-- there are no snakes, no gods, no visions of the past or future, no vacillation from torment to ecstacy-- while the Ayahuasca experience is bursting with imagery and dynamism.. and there's certainly a lot of suffering involved while going through it..

I'm planning to do Ayahuasca this September, but I am not expecting it to make me any more enlightened-- I'm just looking to give my habits a shake.
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby walkart » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:56 pm

Panegalli wrote:
Unshakeable faith in the buddha, the dhamma and the sangha.
No angry thoughts towards other beings.
No attachment to rites and rituals.
No view of self


Stream enterer have fruit of Dhamma eye, not fruit of Nibbana.

Is this person is you?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby daverupa » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:03 pm

Viscid wrote:I'm planning to do Ayahuasca this September...


Come for the sensory chaos, stay for the increased gastrointestinal motility?

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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:14 pm

What a delightful prospect - spaced out and cleared out..... :jumping:
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby Viscid » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:32 pm

And it doesn't surprise me that someone who had a strong experience on Ayahuasca would have their faith in Buddhism forged or strengthened. The Three Marks and the Four Noble Truths are most evident in such violent, harrowing and transcendent moments. Even if the Ayahuasca experience isn't at all Buddhist, it can still serve to illustrate the ubiquity of impermanence, not-self and suffering. Seeing such truth first-hand would wake someone up to the knowledge that the core of Buddhism is not just cultural tradition, but brute fact.
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby walkart » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:36 pm

Can some one describe what he (or some one who experianed it) have seen under ayahuasca?
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Re: Nibbana under the effect of ayahuasca

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:49 pm

Perhaps if you want to encourage people to do very strong drugs, you do so on a non Buddhist forum!!!!!
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