what are you doing when you have illness pain?

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what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby wolf1 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:55 pm

what are u doing when u have illness pain? for example a headache or pain in the arm or anything pain. pains disturb anapanasati meditations. i can not focus on the breathing good when i get pain. i don't give attention to the weak pain maybe 2 or 3 times at a 60 minutes long meditation and then i am in Samadhi.
i take pills when i get any pain for example menstruation pain because i want doing meditation. but i feel lethargy after 30 or 40 minutes meditation since pills makes me sleepy.
many peoples say we should see the pain. of course sometimes i look at to the pain and i see how it become weaker, how it become stronger , how it weaker again, how it become stronger again, how it disapear and how it return. and i notice . notice: become weaker, notice become stronger notice when pain goes and et cetera. but we will don't attain jhana or Noble level if we just see the pain for hours and we neglect breathing meditation. so is it why i ask what are u doing when u get pain.
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby daverupa » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:44 pm

Pain can disturb anapanasati, but can become integrated and smoothed during seated satipatthana. So, since anapanasati is trying to head to jhana, instead - when the pain is great - seek out a balanced vipassana-samatha practice from the seated position, when pain becomes that much of an obstacle.

Vedananupassana is the practice, an aspect of satipatthana generally - calmly noting unpleasant feeling at X or Y sense sphere, mindfully preventing papanca based on that, and so on.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:49 pm

daverupa wrote:Pain can disturb anapanasati, but can become integrated and smoothed during seated satipatthana. So, since anapanasati is trying to head to jhana, instead - when the pain is great - seek out a balanced vipassana-samatha practice from the seated position, when pain becomes that much of an obstacle.

Vedananupassana is the practice, an aspect of satipatthana generally - calmly noting unpleasant feeling at X or Y sense sphere, mindfully preventing papanca based on that, and so on.


I agree. Vedananupassana is my main practice and it is very useful to objectively observe all sensations, pleasant, neutral or unpleasant. I am also pragmatic so if I am experiencing such an intense pain that it stops me functioning in my day-to-day life, then I take paracetamol or other analgesic.
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby Mkoll » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:56 pm

Another satipatthana practice is mindfulness of the hindrances that are arising with the pain or mindfulness of the state of mind.
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:56 pm

Here's a link to a talk by Bhikkhu Bodhi, who has suffered from headaches for decades:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8232

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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby atipattoh » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:30 am

Pain and headache cause by menstruation is not illness; rather ‘weakness’.
This is what my wife did.

Prevention steps:
No cold drink, no carbonated drink, no Coca-Cola, no ice shake, no coconut juice drink; no any kind of drink that is cold in nature or result in ‘bodily cold’ in nature (eg. Coconut juice drink).
1 scoop of ice cream once in a while, I think is OK, for the time being; perhaps? :tongue: Ultimately, drop this as well.

Drink hot soup, tea or coffee. Fruit juice that’s not cold, may not taste nice; however human is good in getting use to new habits.

Improve health:
Walk a lot in the park with your love one or friends, or cycle. Don’t jog.
Drink nuts + fruits + vegitable smoothies, prefer not cold either. I guess this part common for westerner.

Try spirulina. If the instruction says take 10 a day, starting with taking 5 a day instead, 3 in the morning and 2 in the nite. If instruction says take 20 a day, take only 10 a day and split 5-5 morning and nite. Let your body get used to it. Beware of the complication, some may have this issue.
If you do not experience heat after a few weeks, slowly increase the quantity until you follow the prescription.

Or take 1 capsule of Cod Liver Oil, start with 3~4 days once before you slowly increase to follow the prescription.

Don’t start with both. Choose between Spirulina and Cod Liver Oil; else will not know which one is causing complication if there is one. Cod Liver Oil seems to have better immediate positive effect compare to spirulina, but for the long term health, I believe spirulina is better.

Pls google on these two items, find out which brand is ‘clean’ that is conveniently available to you. Pay special attention to the source; where it comes from. ‘Clean’ subject to your acceptance level; of course!

May you be well!
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby wolf1 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:37 pm

Thank you very much

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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby wolf1 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:48 pm

mikenz66 wrote:Here's a link to a talk by Bhikkhu Bodhi, who has suffered from headaches for decades:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8232

:anjali:
Mike


thanks but i don't understand a many words, since english is not my first language. :?
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby atipattoh » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:13 pm

Hi,
Can try this temp option.
google’s help, just a guide, you may google for more suitable one.
http://www.howcast.com/videos/180325-Ho ... cupressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5j3e11p31g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBIOy4GL5R8

If you know chinese, try google on these few words 月脛痛灸法.
http://blog.xuite.net/alanwu2294/twblog ... E%E7%81%B8
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby wolf1 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:27 pm

atipattoh wrote:Hi,
Can try this temp option.
google’s help, just a guide, you may google for more suitable one.
http://www.howcast.com/videos/180325-Ho ... cupressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5j3e11p31g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBIOy4GL5R8

If you know chinese, try google on these few words 月脛痛灸法.
http://blog.xuite.net/alanwu2294/twblog ... E%E7%81%B8


THANK U VERY MUCH :hello:
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Re: what are you doing when you have illness pain?

Postby wolf1 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:08 pm

i know it : if we have any pain while anapanasati meditation then refocus on the nostrils and notice the pain. then the pain goes.
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