Sati1 wrote:I was wondering if other meditators have had similar experiences and if such fluctuations are natural, or if there is more likely something that needs to be changed about my method in order to re-establish the depth of past sessions.
Sati1 wrote:Dear Martin,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It's good to hear that others are also going through this. I agree that we should not grow complascent about our practice, but stay alert and mindful towards it every day. Does your list of attachments feature attachments related to meditation (eg feelings of concentration or bliss)? I was also wondering what you mean by "string of glue by string of glue" (sorry, English is not my first language!)?
Sati1 wrote:Goofaholix - I was not aware of how fortunate I am being able to enter into absorption. My impression from reading books about entering the jhanas (eg. Ayya Khema's "Who is my self?" and Shaila Catherine's "Focused and fearless"), and from the fact that there are "jhana retreats" (eg. Ajahn Brahm's) was that many people must be able to enter the jhanas by just following the instructions, and that absorption is normal for most practicioners.
Goofaholix wrote: the vast majority of retreats out there are vipassana retreats where jhana is either sidelined or actively discouraged.
thepea wrote:How do you sideline or discourage jhanas? If these states arise observe, if not observe what is available.
thepea wrote:Goofaholix wrote: inclining the mind towards changing objects and the development of insight doesn't usually do it.
Goofaholix wrote: Jhana usually requires a one-pointedness of mind, aiming and sustaining. If you let the mind contemplate changing phenomena it might be calm and spacious but not one-pointed.
thepea wrote:Is the breath not a suitable object?
Goofaholix wrote: because the breath becomes subtler and subtler as samadhi becomes stronger.
Goofaholix wrote: Moving attention through the body would be a good example of samadhi that is not one pointed,
Goofaholix wrote:thepea wrote:Goofaholix wrote: inclining the mind towards changing objects and the development of insight doesn't usually do it.
Jhana usually requires a one-pointedness of mind, aiming and sustaining. If you let the mind contemplate changing phenomena it might be calm and spacious but not one-pointed.
Sati1 wrote: an opportunity to slow the mind down and rest it.
Sati1 wrote: It is true that these states can easily be craved due to the intensity of the pleasure. But my personal opinion is that this should not be reason enough to deliberately avoid them.
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