Dhamma Wheel Buddhist Forum

mikenz66 wrote:Hi Sean,

We will obviously have to agree to disagree. As I read it there are approaches with different emphases in the Suttas, Commentaries, and the instructions of modern teachers. Without some general understanding of this I think that it's very easy to get confused about the instructions.

mikenz66 wrote:

seanpdx wrote: Folks like Ajahn Chah and Ajahn Brahm, quoted previously, do an excellent job of explaining things. =D

I like Ajahn Brahm, he's a talented teacher, but personally I ignore some of his statements about other approaches as overenthusiasm... His opinions are not always shared by the other Ajahn Chah students I've had teachings from, such as Ajahn Tiradhammo.

Metta
Mike

Manapa wrote:using english has the same problem, as Pali words can mean something slightly or grossly different to the English being used. look at satipatthana as an example, it can be split in two different ways which give it different meanings to one extent or another, both in pali and translation, and the context could potentially change which is being meant, plus it removes confusion as to what is being meant, take sampajanna as an example one person says alert, another says comprehension so someone who doesn't know the alternative translation is still in the dark, but using a dictionary they are familiar with can find the meaning they are familiar with, and any confusion in the explanation stemming from a post can then be addressed.

Manapa wrote:neither, both are for different reasons accurate as both refer to different things.

The foundations of mindfulness (sati-patthanā) are;
1. Ardent;
2. Alert;
3. Mindful;
4. Putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world.
The references of mindfulness (sati-upaṭṭhāna) are;
1. Body;
2. Feeling;
3. Mind;
4. Mental Qualities.

it has moved on since then, not a very good exploration for a couple of reasons, mainly for wordings, and clarity.

Manapa wrote:one or two, looked at the sutta in pali-english translations, talked to pali translators, dictionaries, encyclopedias etc.

Manapa wrote:I have a link to the google version although from what I read it has nothing particularly of value not found in other works which I could add to the newer version http://books.google.com/books?id=ZEk2rp ... q=&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Manapa wrote:Look at the link,

seanpdx wrote: On which side of the "sati-patthana/sati-upatthana" debate are you, and why?

seanpdx wrote: Have you read any academic papers on the subject?

seanpdx wrote: I wholeheartedly recommend "Mindfulness in Early Buddhism: New approaches through psychology and textual analysis of Pali, Chinese, and Sanskrit sources" by Tse-fu Kuan. Good read.

mikenz66 wrote:Hi Sean,

seanpdx wrote: On which side of the "sati-patthana/sati-upatthana" debate are you, and why?

seanpdx wrote: Have you read any academic papers on the subject?

seanpdx wrote: I wholeheartedly recommend "Mindfulness in Early Buddhism: New approaches through psychology and textual analysis of Pali, Chinese, and Sanskrit sources" by Tse-fu Kuan. Good read.

How about summarising what you think are the important aspects of satipatthana, in light of such works?

Metta
Mike

Manapa wrote:there are a few relevant threads if you wish to continue on one of them, mahasatipatthana may be the most relevant just do a quick search it was started by me when the forum started for the exploration.