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Noting and labeling practice

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Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:51 pm

I would like to try incorporating noting and labeling into my sitting and walking practice, specifically in the traditon of Mahasi Sayadaw. I am looking for a good introduction on the practice and came across two books by Sayadaw Pandita. One is A State of Mind Called Beautiful and the other is In This Very Life. I was wondering if anyone has read either of these books or any others on the topic and would recommend a book that would serve as a good introduction to the practice and theory. Also a quick question. Is the practice of noting and labeling to be taken up in daily life as well and to what extent? Living in this fast paced world I almost feel as though there would be too great a slowing down in my daily life to allow me to be noting at all times. Many thanks in advance.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:48 pm

In This Very Life is highly recommended for vipassanā meditators, but the Venerable Mahāsi Sayādaw's is more suitable for the basic instructions.

Unless you are doing a manual labouring or factory job, it is unlikely that you will have much chance to note mindfully in detail. At best you could note and make an effort to be mindful of the present moment in general terms. Many jobs are highly conceptual, and insight meditation is about knowing ultimate realities. We need to slow down all activities and movements to note in detail.

Nevertheless, many daily activities such as dressing, shaving, eating, walking, etc., can be done much more slowly and systematically than non-meditators will generally do them. There is no need to rush if you are a meditator. If a chore needs to be done, then do it attentively and thoroughly.

is recommended for developing the practice of bare attention — a practice that is very helpful for getting through the day without stress.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:35 pm

Thank you Bhante.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:35 pm

I have found it rather difficult to use the noting practice in daily life as i have a fast paced job and a 8 month old at home to take care of. I have given up in frustration and therefore limited my noting practice to my formal meditation and at times when I am able to slow down like showering, eating and when i am home alone. During work hours and at home with my family I have been practicing just bare general awareness of body postures and movements as Bhante suggested. I have found though that it is easier for me to label mental events such as wandering thoughts, thinking, thinking and emotions, anger, anger etc. rather than bodily movements because there is no slow down. From experienced Mahasi practitioners Is this ok? I understand the most prominent object should be noted ie. body postures but this is not practical for my daily life. I have no teacher to practice with and have many questions regarding Mahasi Sayadaws tradition.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby PeterB » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:06 pm

Would it be practical for you to attend a short course Bodom ?

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:22 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby RayfieldNeel » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:59 pm

I am in a similar place, figuratively speaking. I use the noting technique in my vipassana practice, and when doing simple tasks around the work and home..but when trying to deal with an upset 10-year-old, a wild lab pup, or when debugging Visual Basic code, it gets a little tricky. :tongue:

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:31 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The Practice of Bare Attention

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:51 pm

Before she became a nun, Sister Thanassanti was wandering in the hills when she was attacked by a bear. The bear had her head in his mouth. Faced with such a critical situation the best option is to practise bare attention — that is, to be ardent, clearly comprehending and mindful of realities in the present moment. I suppose that she just froze, and the bear fortunately let go just as she had done.

We need to apply that same sense of urgency to the practice of bare attention.

When you see, just know that you see it; when you hear, just know that you hear it; when you cognise something, just know that you know it. That is, don't divert from the present moment with superfluous discursive thinking. When problems need to be resolved, then discursive thought must be used — but don't plan or worry too much.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:14 pm

Thank you Bhante. I guess the problem is that I read Mahasi Sayadaws and Sayadaw U. Panditas works and there is such strict instruction to note EVERYTHING that arises without missing anything and I feel guilty or that im not putting in enough energy into noting due to restrictions of daily life, though I have honestly tried and ended up frustrated.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

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Re: Noting and labeling practice

Postby Uilium » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:16 pm

Bhante yuttadhammo teaches Mahasi style noting in Sri Lanka but also works with students online. Here's the website and question and answer forum(like this one but only Mahasi style practice)

http://ask.sirimangalo.org/

also Bhante Yuttadhammo has a Youtube channel with close to 600 videos on Mahasi style noting:

http://www.youtube.com/user/yuttadhammo


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