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"secular" mindfulness meditation

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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"secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:32 am

Hi everyone

This is a request for assistance. I am seeking some resources to commence a 'mindfulness meditation' program at the school my wife and I work at. Its going to be a program that my wife will be directing but she's asked my help. She's a psychologist and has done MCBT (Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy) and other 'mindfulness' workshops and the school is keen to incorporate 'mindfulness' into staff and student wellbeing programs. The thoughts we have about the program at this stage, is that she will lead classes in mindfulness meditation for both staff and students.
I could probably take the mindfulness meditation 'classes' myself but a complication is that due to the requirements of my "tradition", we're not permitted to teach unless we are authorised to do so. I have a profound sense of loyalty to my teacher and I would not do anything to sever my relationship, however noble the intention.

The other complication is that it is a Church school. While they are progressive enough for the school chaplain to invite me to come and introduce Buddhism to their students, I know that teaching "Buddhist" meditation at the school might be a source of complaint and criticism. Launceston is afterall, a very 'churchy' place and in some ways, still very conservative.

So, while I am not intending to lead meditation, I do want to support my wife in being able to direct her to quality resources. So this is where you come in. Do you know of any good mp3 or other audio resources that provide step-by-step instruction for, say, anapana-sati? Ideally, it should be 'secular' in treatment but I am happy to consider some resources that might be 'light' on the Buddhism. And who knows, for some people it could just sow the seed of Dhamma.
Thanks in anticipation.

Ben
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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:35 am

Greetings Ben,

Check out Malcolm Huxter's MP3s...

http://www.buddhanet.net/audio-meditation.htm

Especially the one about Peace and Joy with the breath.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:36 am

Wow, that was fast.
Thanks mate!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:46 am

Google jon kabat-zinn. He is the father of "secular" mindfulness meditation in terms of its therapuetic potentials. He is someone who has seriously done the practice and is a reliable source.

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Moggalana » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:19 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:34 pm

If you can't why not have your wife teach the MBCT practices? As long as they don't contain CBT elements they are indistuinguishable from Theravada practice. She could go on a MBCT teacher development retreat if she feels she needs extra training. MBCT is secular as it gets and the evidence base behind it opens otherwise closed minds.
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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby bodom » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:55 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:35 pm

Thank you everyone for those great suggestions. We will check them out, as well as any others that are posted in the interim, tonight (our time).

Tilt, Bodom & Moggalana
Thank you for reminding me of Jon Kabat-Zinn: I can't explain why I completely forgot about him!!

RYB
My wife actually uses MBCT as part of her psychotherapy/counselling practice but I guess what she/we were looking for was an existing set of instructions for meditation so that she wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel. And there are different skill sets for leading a person through a counselling session than leading a group through meditation.

Freewaru
Thanks for that background regarding the meditative tradition within Christianity. I think if we changed the terminology to Christian terminology, we will still have people (parents of students) complaining. My wife, while reading through this thread, said that there have complaints about the teaching of yoga at the school. And when I mean yoga, I mean yoga was reduced to its physical component. We believe that if we present meditation as a secular activity, it can be defended very easily with peer-reviewed literature in the fields of education, medicine and psychology.
kind regards

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Freawaru » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:23 pm

Hi Ben,

It seems to me that Ilse Middendorf's breath therapy is very close to pranayama and hatha yoga (so it is real close to anapanasati) but mainly using modern terminology and science.

http://breathexperience.com/

I have not been to retreats or so. Just reading a book ("Der Erfahrbare Atem; eine Atemlehre") but it has also audio tapes so I guess it must be the german version of

The Perceptible Breath
by Prof. Ilse Middendorf
Book with audio tapes
Junfermann-Verlag, Paderborn, 1990
$21.95

http://breathexperience.com/literature/

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:17 pm

The community mental health center where I work, they asked me to create a secular mindfulness training program. They wanted something like the MBCT and MBSR (SR= stress reduction), but they did not want to pay the $$$$ thousands it would cost for certification. And like you, I did not want to be perceived as a "teacher". So I collected mp3's and worksheets from other sources. I like Malcolm Huxter's work, especially the one labelled "Progressive Relaxation". I also have MP3's from Jack Kornfield and Pema Chodron, including an excellent talk from PC on "Sounds True" radio program: "Why We Meditate".

At Buddhanet.net, there are instructions for presenting meditation to kids. I found it easy enough to edit out references to Lord Buddha.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:20 pm

Been looking round my files as I did down load a couple of the pdf from the earlier links and I think these three are the most relevant to help you
Attachments
3-S_sess1.pdf
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3S_general.pdf
(467.87 KiB) Downloaded 89 times
3-S_client_workbook.pdf
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:39 pm

Hi Ben

You might know that John Kobbat Zinn was the source for MBCT- some people consider it a bit of a rip off ;-) . So what they do are very similar. MBCT is not therapy, it is actually skills and attitude training (mindfulness and acceptance).

bw
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Re: "secular" mindfulness meditation

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:04 pm

just come accross this which you may find helpful if you have any problems with it being a Christian school?

http://www.cofeguildford.org.uk/index.c ... t&cmid=444

and a link in one of the PDF's goes here
http://www.breathworks-mindfulness.org.uk/


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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