http://www.abhidhamma.org/forums/Freawaru wrote:...if I can find someone who can give those definitions based on experience ...
Perhaps there's someone there that can shed some light on your queries...
http://www.abhidhamma.org/forums/Freawaru wrote:...if I can find someone who can give those definitions based on experience ...
Freawaru wrote: But why does Visuddhimagga 12 then not only teach fourth form realm jhana? Why all this playing with entering and leaving kasinas and all eight jhanas?
Dear Bhante,appicchato wrote:http://www.abhidhamma.org/forums/Freawaru wrote:...if I can find someone who can give those definitions based on experience ...
Perhaps there's someone there that can shed some light on your queries...
Ah, okay, I am convincedpt1 wrote:Freawaru wrote: But why does Visuddhimagga 12 then not only teach fourth form realm jhana? Why all this playing with entering and leaving kasinas and all eight jhanas?
Hm, not sure. Maybe it has to do with safety? I mean, I think the sequence was - one first gains jhana mastery (entering, exiting and changing jhanas at will, etc) and only then starts with iddhis. E.g. imagine a scenario where electricity is suddenly off in your town and so you decide to use your iddhis to cook dinner (something I think I read that Dipa Ma taught her daughters how to do). And so, you start the rapid switching between fourth jhana and access concentration with element of fire in order to produce heat for cooking. And somewhere there, in the middle of the switching, you accidentally forget to use a kasina for the fourth jhana, and you accidentally end up in jhana of infinite space without knowing how to exit quickly. And as a result, the heat you were generating to heat up a small pot of soup suddenly expands and burns you entire kitchen, or more...
Thank you for the links and all your helpAnyway, I checked a bit online regarding where you could ask your questions:
This is a US website of two Pa Auk Sayadaw's pupils - as far as I can see from this page:
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they won't mind answering questions for free, or paid if you want to ask a lot. Not sure if they know iddhis, but they should know a lot about visuddhimagga type jhanas.
This is a yahoo group that seems to be focused on teachings of Pa Auk Sayadaw and his pupil Sayalay Dipankara who's based in Singapore:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pa-Auk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Though can't tell if the group is open to all or only from Malaysia...
Anyway, might be worth checking these out. There must be more stuff online for people interested in visuddhimagga type jhanas, iddhis, etc. Maybe someone else can point to more sources.
Best wishes
Thank you.Dmytro wrote:Hi Freawaru,
IMHO the best result of all the jhana mastery is that it helps to enter the emptiness (sunnata), the themeless (animitta). One gets enough of all these bases of concentration and can do without them :^)
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'One of poor discernment, one of poor discernment': Thus is it said. To what extent is one said to be 'one of poor discernment'?"
"'One doesn't discern, one doesn't discern': Thus, friend, one is said to be 'one of poor discernment.'
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asked him a further question: "Discerning, discerning': Thus is it said. To what extent, friend, is one said to be 'discerning'?"
"'One discerns, one discerns': Thus, friend, one is said to be 'discerning.'
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