Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

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Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby upekkha » Tue May 25, 2010 2:18 pm

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby PeterB » Tue May 25, 2010 2:24 pm

For what its worth I learned both Goenka and Mahasi and fashioned myself a little reptoire drawn from both too.....encouraged by one of the forest Ajahns who had done the same.

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby Ben » Tue May 25, 2010 10:34 pm

Hi upekkha

One of the best things I've done.
So taking tens of courses and practicing at home

What sort (duration) courses did you take?
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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby Goofaholix » Wed May 26, 2010 12:58 am

You can never have too many tools in your tool box. As long as you are clear about what you are doing at any one time and what it is supposed to achieve, rather than drifting from technique to technique or muddling it up.

This is not so much true if you are doing jhana practice as then you need to dig one deep hole not several shallow ones.
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But it’s difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But it does not require a great deal of energy. It’s relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby nathan » Wed May 26, 2010 1:15 am

Goofaholix wrote:You can never have too many tools in your tool box. As long as you are clear about what you are doing at any one time and what it is supposed to achieve, rather than drifting from technique to technique or muddling it up.

This is not so much true if you are doing jhana practice as then you need to dig one deep hole not several shallow ones.
When you practice through the entire waking day for a few days you eventually discover it is all the same hole and that any consistently applicable insight is a consistently useful insight as long as it continues to take you deeper.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby upekkha » Wed May 26, 2010 7:07 pm

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby Sekha » Wed May 26, 2010 11:20 pm

I am not sure anyone can hold any one-sided-only view applicable to everyone. Everyone is different and will have a different experience. Some techniques may be more adapted to some individuals, and less to others. I don't think there is any general rule.

As to the time it takes before getting to stream entry, some people have their five hindrances strong, so it will take time at first to weaken them. Some people have them weak already. Goenka told the story of his friend who became sotapanna on the third day of his first course (under Sayagyi U Ba Khin), even before vipassana was taught.

And to quote the Buddha himself on this matter (translation by Bikkhu Bodhi):

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So it is clearly shown here that there is difference in people's progress according to inner dispositions

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Re: Switching from Goenka body-scanning to Mahasi noting

Postby upekkha » Wed May 26, 2010 11:41 pm

Inner dispositions AND methods used (or not used) :)


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