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Luang Pu? Watch the Mind

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Luang Pu? Watch the Mind

Postby Collective » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:11 pm

"The genuine basis of the Dhamma is the mind, so focus on watching the mind. Get so that you understand your own mind poignantly. When you understand your mind poignantly, you've got the basis of the Dhamma right there."

Luang Pu?

What do you think of 'focus on watching the mind'?
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Re: Luang Pu? Watch the Mind

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:25 pm

Hi Collective, Nice quote.

I see it's from: Ajaan Dune Atulo
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai ... eleft.html
47. The genuine basis of the Dhamma

There's one thing that meditators love to talk about, and that's, "What do you see when you sit in meditation? What appears when you meditate?" Or else they complain that they've been sitting in meditation for a long time and yet nothing has appeared for them to see. Or else they talk about seeing this thing or that all the time. This makes some people misunderstand things, thinking that when you meditate you get to see what you want to see.

Luang Pu would warn these people that this sort of aspiration is all wrong, for the purpose of meditation is to enter into the genuine basis of the Dhamma.

"The genuine basis of the Dhamma is the mind, so focus on watching the mind. Get so that you understand your own mind poignantly*. When you understand your mind poignantly, you've got the basis of the Dhamma right there."

In that context, I think he's saying that one needs to understand the process of the mind, how the mind works. Not the content. It's easy to observe this in meditation groups and retreats: people chatting about the content that they brought along ("I am so ..."), or the content that they want ("How can I be ..."?"), rather than focussing on the task of understanding the the mind itself.

* I presume the translator meant:
    Poignant: Piercing; incisive: poignant criticism.
Rather than the emotional meaning:
    Poignant: Profoundly moving; touching: a poignant memory.

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Re: Luang Pu? Watch the Mind

Postby Anicca » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:57 am

Collective wrote:What do you think of 'focus on watching the mind'?
Sounds like great advice!

From Ajaan Thate:
If you go to a teacher experienced in meditating on buddho, he'll have you repeat buddho, buddho, buddho, and have you keep the mind firmly in that meditation word until you're fully skilled at it. Then he'll have you contemplate buddho and what it is that's saying buddho. Once you see that they are two separate things, focus on what's saying buddho. As for the word buddho, it will disappear, leaving only what it is that was saying buddho. You then focus on what it is that was saying buddho as your object.
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From "The Heart of Buddhist Meditation" by Nyanaponika Thera:
The Buddha-Message, as a doctrine of the Mind, teaches three things:
    to know the mind,-that is so near to us, and yet is so unknown;
    to shape the mind,-that is so unwieldy and obstinate, and yet may turn so pliant;
    to free the mind,-that is in bondage all over, and yet may win freedom here and now.
...

If we have spoken above of the mind-doctrine being the starting, focal and culminating point of the Buddha-message, we may now add that Right Mindfulness holds the very same place within the Buddhist mind-doctrine.

Mindfulness, then, is
    the unfailing master key for knowing the mind, and is thus the starting point;
    the perfect tool for shaping the mind, and is thus the focal point;
    the lofty manifestation of the achieved freedom of the mind, and is thus the culminating point.


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