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The Eyes (Again)

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.

Do you meditate with your eyes closed or open?

Eyes Open
3
14%
Eyes Closed
15
71%
Other
3
14%
 
Total votes: 21

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Ben » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:44 am

Hi Collective

If when you are practicing vipassana and your object is sensation, just be aware, just be equanimous. After awhile, with some sensations, you will begin to notice its changing nature. Some gross sensations like pressure or pain may dissolve into finer sensations which have a shimmering quality. Just be aware of it. Try not to relish the pleasure, indifferent to the neutral, or recoil from the unpleasant. Be aware that the old habit pattern of the mind is to react with craving for the pleasant and aversion to the unpleasant - just be aware of that and be aware of the mind attempting to respond to the different types of sensation with aversion, indifference (as opposed to equanimity) and craving.
In the beginning, other mental 'stuff', treat as muzak - background noise. Don't try to block it out nor engage with it.
With samatha, the thing is to maintain unbroken bare awareness of the object for longer and longer periods. Trying to maintain unbroken awareness is like trying to grab an eel so don't get despondent nor angry if you feel you're not making much headway. It takes, sometimes, a long time. But every effort is well spent.
All the best,

Ben
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Learn this from the waters:
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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:59 am


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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Ben » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:03 am

My pleasure.
All the best!

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:44 am


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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:07 am


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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:18 am

Thank you very much :)

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:37 am

So then, is it accurate to say

Vipassana focuses on the breath whilst acknowledging rising sensations

Samatha focuses on the breath to the exclusion of rising sensations?

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:28 am

I think the best way to get a handle on this is to cut straight to the chase using a direct example/question:

You are practicing Vipassana and a sensation arises

What do you do?

You are practicing Samatha and a sensation arises

What do you do?


Thank you all :)

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Collective » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:48 pm

Thank you Ben. That was basically the final piece of the jigsaw for me.

It's appreciated.

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby effort » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:25 pm

i was doing with open eyes and i think it was really good, now i try with closed eyes, result is sometimes pleasurable feeling but i doubt that means better meditation, i really like to onetime i be able sit in front of a wall with open eyes for seshin.

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Re: The Eyes (Again)

Postby Individual » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:25 pm

The best things in life aren't things.



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