Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

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Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby dhammapal » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:05 am

I understand the asubha techniques i.e. 32 parts of the body and cemetery contemplations. These refer to the senses of sight and smell.

I am an auditory person. What about the impurity of the opposite sex's voice? The only thing I've come up with so far is imagining what a young woman's voice will sound like when she is 90 years old.

Any other ideas?

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Re: Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:10 am

dhammapal wrote:What about the impurity of the opposite sex's voice?
The only real impurity is in your mind.


Then the Venerable Ananda said to the Blessed One: "How, Lord, should we conduct ourselves towards women?"

"Do not see them, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if we do see them?"

"Do not speak, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if they should speak to us?"

"Then, Ananda, you should establish mindfulness."
- DN 16
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Re: Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby Nyana » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:56 am

tiltbillings wrote:Then the Venerable Ananda said to the Blessed One: "How, Lord, should we conduct ourselves towards women?"

"Do not see them, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if we do see them?"

"Do not speak, Ananda."

"But, Lord, if they should speak to us?"

"Then, Ananda, you should establish mindfulness."
- DN 16

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Re: Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby dhammapal » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:33 am

The 32 parts of the body contemplation on impurity is supposed to be done on one's own body first.
So contemplating the impure parts of one's own body involved in speaking e.g. tongue and saliva, might be the first step to removing this type of lust for the opposite sex.

With metta / dhammapal.

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Re: Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:58 am

Hi Dhammapal,
dhammapal wrote:The 32 parts of the body contemplation on impurity is supposed to be done on one's own body first.
So contemplating the impure parts of one's own body involved in speaking e.g. tongue and saliva, might be the first step to removing this type of lust for the opposite sex.

With metta / dhammapal.


I would query your interpretation that the contemplation of the body part of 'tongue' refers to speaking. Be careful that you are not projecting your own preferences and proclivities onto the instructions.

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Re: Asubha Contemplation on Voice?

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:48 am

I usually focus on the impermanence of the sound, the impermanence of the pleasant sensation arising from the sound, the impermanence of my reaction to the sound, then finally the impermanence of the whole experience.

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