a) "It looks like the Buddha didnt quite say not to relax the body (and later the mind) during anapanasati, [b]when it comes to that point in the development.
Hey, could you explain this in more detail please?, sounds interesting.
b) " Are you asking if 'since the breath isnt really the body, how can focusing on that bring 'mindfulness of the body' to a culmination?' "
No, i get the in-&-out breath is classed as a body among bodies, but "Goofaholix" said in a previous post: "There is nothing special about the breath, the breath is just a tool that is used to help collect the mind on one point and/or expand awareness".
I dont think the breath is "nothing special"
, but i understand the point, i mean metta and kasina meditations "dont use breath", yet they can reach samadhi-jhana.
So i ask, how metta and kasina meditations can bring the first of The Four Frames of Reference (body) to the culmination, if u are not focused on the body?, instead you focus on a feeling or an image.
(this question will apply only to people practicing intense concentration, to the point of exclution of the physical body).
c) "c) Feeling a spot on the nose can be usefully used to develop samatha (Right concentration)- and subsequently the jhanas- nothing wrong in that- as long as the practitioner is aware that it does not give rise to vipassana, which is the essential next step in the path. However being aware of the length of the breath is a good way to focus on the breath intelligently rather than mindlessly -this will allow us to turn the mindfulness of breath into vipassana later on in the development."
So you are saying you can first concentrate on a feeling, to then begin to understand the breath?.. isnt like going backwards ?
I mean focusing on feelings in & of themselves its the second of the four frames of reference, not the first.