Recreational Use of Cannabis

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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:17 pm

Viscid wrote:What I would ideally like to come up with is an alternative to the puritanical reaction one receives when discussing this sort of drug use within a religious context (I'm pretty sure having wine over dinner isn't going to cause one to be reborn in Hell.) Such an alternative response would come in the form "You should not take substance X because of effect Y which is of detriment to aspect Z in the pursuit of virtue or meditative skill."


Which is, what I think, what people have been doing.
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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby Viscid » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:45 pm

Ben wrote:Which is, what I think, what people have been doing.

Most of the responses seem to be founded on a fear of drug use (citing facts that they all invariably lead to psychiatric conditions or going to hell) rather than an analysis of the actual effects on the mind and how those effects actually interfere with practice.

daverupa wrote:and psychoactive substances which alter perception, mood, and cognition are wild cards that simply add variable complexity to what is already the delicate and difficult task of training citta.

Is probably the best idea in this thread, and I would be genuinely interested if we could manage to back this theory up with some sort of textual authority.
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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:07 pm

Viscid wrote:
Ben wrote:Which is, what I think, what people have been doing.

Most of the responses seem to be founded on a fear of drug use (citing facts that they all invariably lead to psychiatric conditions or going to hell) rather than analyzing actual effects on the mind and how those effects actually interfere with practice.

I don't see any fear of drug use.
What is apparent to me is that some people have direct experience with drug use, or have witnessed its effects on others.

Viscid wrote:
daverupa wrote:and psychoactive substances which alter perception, mood, and cognition are wild cards that simply add variable complexity to what is already the delicate and difficult task of training citta.

Is probably the best idea in this thread, and I would be genuinely interested if we could manage to back this theory up with some sort of textual authority.
Yes, you may find a textual reference or two that will back up Daverupa's words - and I encourage you to look. But don't discount the experience of others or the documented adverse clinical and social effects of recreational drug use.
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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:23 am

Viscid wrote:What I would ideally like to come up with is an alternative to the puritanical reaction one receives when discussing this sort of drug use within a religious context (I'm pretty sure having wine over dinner isn't going to cause one to be reborn in Hell.) Such an alternative response would come in the form "You should not take substance X because of effect Y which is of detriment to aspect Z in the pursuit of virtue or meditative skill."

I abstain from drinking because I have a hard enough time maintaining right speech when sober. I don't need any further complications.
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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:18 am

Life by itself is so intoxicating , the need of further intoxications , makes the problem at hand that much more difficult to handle.

There was a time once when i used to enjoy having the best of wine and drinks with friends , cannabis included . The happiness of getting a chivas and sharing a glass or two with my Father , i used to think of as a very refined living !

That era has long died , and when i look back , the feeling of happiness of having left it all behind is indescribable.........

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Re: Recreational Use of Cannabis

Postby manas » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:12 am

I admit, I used to enjoy a joint or two...but still, the few times I came near to jhana (as I understand it), the peace and joy I felt in those meditations, was far better than ANY intoxicant ever gave me. In any case, I found that weed interfered with being fully emotionally available for those I love, and that was the main reason I abandoned it.
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